Why Trump - the white riot

[Catfish]

"The white riot, how racism and immigration gave us Trump, Brexit and a whole new kind of politics"

Not easy to swallow, but well worth reading:
http://www.vox.com/2016/9/19/1293307...t-trump-brexit

[agathosdaimon]

i am relieved that people on this forum seem to grasp the grave seriousness of electing a sociopath to run and to now have free licence to do whatever he wants in the US and the world with a party of sociopaths controlling all the branches of government, who are not going to stand up to him at all , and in fact their own plans are just as terrifying and they are more bent on pushing them through, which given how little trump reads, will probably sail through with no mention at all.

[Torplexed]

Perhaps the most surprising predictor of a Trump victory was the filmmaker and progressive gadfly Michael Moore. In the youtube video from July it is him saying, “unless we face facts, this is what’s going to happen.” Looking at it now after the election, it goes beyond “he called it.” This is crystal ball stuff, and it shows how well Moore understands the power and mindset of poor white voters. Particularly those from the rust belt in a way that many liberals doomed themselves by ignoring or underestimating.

“I sorry to have to be the buzz-killer here … but I think Trump is going to win … I live in Michigan, let me tell you, it’s going to be the Brexit strategy.”

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

Perhaps the most surprising predictor of a Trump victory was the filmmaker and progressive gadfly Michael Moore. In the youtube video from July it is him saying, “unless we face facts, this is what’s going to happen.” Looking at it now after the election, it goes beyond “he called it.” This is crystal ball stuff, and it shows how well Moore understands the power and mindset of poor white voters. Particularly those from the rust belt in a way that many liberals doomed themselves by ignoring or underestimating.

As I've Already pointed out...twice: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2445598#post2445598

[August]

Originally Posted by agathosdaimon

i am relieved that people on this forum seem to grasp the grave seriousness of electing a sociopath to run and to now have free licence to do whatever he wants in the US and the world with a party of sociopaths controlling all the branches of government, who are not going to stand up to him at all , and in fact their own plans are just as terrifying and they are more bent on pushing them through, which given how little trump reads, will probably sail through with no mention at all.

What's next? Are you going to call those that voted for him a "Basket of Deplorables"?

Originally Posted by August

What's next? Are you going to call those that voted for him a "Basket of Deplorables"?

The thing is with living in a democracy that considers 'free speech' to be an essential right is that it involves having to see opinions you don't like occasionally.

[August]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

The thing is with living in a democracy that considers 'free speech' to be an essential right is that it involves having to see opinions you don't like occasionally.

Doesn't this essential free speech you talk about extend to the right to say what I think of those opinions?

Originally Posted by August

Doesn't this essential free speech you talk about extend to the right to say what I think of those opinions?

It does. It also entitles others to respond to your indignant objections to something nobody actually said.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by agathosdaimon

i am relieved that people on this forum seem to grasp the grave seriousness of electing a sociopath to run and to now have free licence to do whatever he wants in the US and the world with a party of sociopaths controlling all the branches of government, who are not going to stand up to him at all , and in fact their own plans are just as terrifying and they are more bent on pushing them through, which given how little trump reads, will probably sail through with no mention at all.

I'm sorry guy, I just can't get onboard with Myle Cyrus dry screwing women and holding blown up penises while performing. The sociopaths have spoken. It appears they have been silent for the past 8 years.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Catfish

"The white riot, how racism and immigration gave us Trump, Brexit and a whole new kind of politics"

Not easy to swallow, but well worth reading:
http://www.vox.com/2016/9/19/1293307...t-trump-brexit

When white people attempt to use their political will to pull their country out of the trash heap, it's called racism. Notice liberals don't spend much time calling black people racist when they turn out in record numbers to elect the first "black" president? Or when Middle Eastern inhabitants denigrate Western culture? Or when Hispanics demand the US pull down its borders and dismantle its immigration laws in order to allow more Hispanics to enter? You think the Hispanics would be so motivated to allow millions of Frenchmen to enter the US? Never hear them make a peep about this.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

When white people attempt to use their political will to pull their country out of the trash heap, it's called racism. Notice liberals don't spend much time calling black people racist when they turn out in record numbers to elect the first "black" president? Or when Middle Eastern inhabitants denigrate Western culture? Or when Hispanics demand the US pull down its borders and dismantle its immigration laws in order to allow more Hispanics to enter? You think the Hispanics would be so motivated to allow millions of Frenchmen to enter the US? Never hear them make a peep about this.

The blacks coming out to vote BO is affectionately called the Obama Coalition. The angry white dudes are affectionately known as Deplorables. As a side note...there are plenty angry white ladies that voted Trump.

In the meantime Kellyanne Conway ran a resounding campaign for Trump. FIRST WOMAN TO DO SO! Not a peep from say oh...the hags on The View.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

When white people attempt to use their political will to pull their country out of the trash heap, it's called racism. Notice liberals don't spend much time calling black people racist when they turn out in record numbers to elect the first "black" president? Or when Middle Eastern inhabitants denigrate Western culture? Or when Hispanics demand the US pull down its borders and dismantle its immigration laws in order to allow more Hispanics to enter? You think the Hispanics would be so motivated to allow millions of Frenchmen to enter the US? Never hear them make a peep about this.

Indeed. Often times those who are most opposed to racism fall into the trap of racism themselves.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Indeed. Often times those who are most opposed to racism fall into the trap of racism themselves.

Extremism does breed extremism, sadly. Even I've fallen into that trap occasionally, it's easy to do but you have to try and break out of it.

[Onkel Neal]

Dilbert creator Scott Adams analyzes the election and the massive levels of persuasion tactics employed by Trump. His success was no accident.

[Skybird]

There is a penetrant tendency and a strong social pressure to not violate the consensus of the "reasonable", the poltically correct, the wellmeaning, the do-gooders. I would call it, in reference to some typical German, Merkel-related characteristics in this country here, a tyranny of consensus.

If you always accept to play by the rules of this setting, the tenedd towards the jiddle of this mess intensifies, necessarily. You MUST violate it if you want to break it up; even more so when the established social factions already use quite a solid ammount of pressure and social violance themselves to defend their cozy nests. Play by their rules means guaranteeing that they must not change.

Sometimes you do not get further by playing by such rules, they spell your defeat if you want to change things, and soon you get mercilessly pulled back into the swamp of mediocrity and dilletantism, not to disturb the collectvie around you any longer, and not to stand apart from it. With consensus being enforced again, graveyard peace clouds the minds of people again and nobody asks questions anymore, since nobody has the skill anymore to ask. Sometimes you must swing the sledgehammer and accept to be the wild man, for surgical cleanliness will get you nowhere anymore. The estalbished lobbies and elites are full of cleanly surgeons and coensus-driven career junkeys. And look what a servile breed bare of any imgination and courage to put the rzuling orde rin questio n they are. That too is oine of th ereaosns why "populists" in past years are on a rise. Because more and more people have joined the Be-Pissed-party, for a growing number of different reasons.

Whether it is wise to assume that just one replaced president can fix all that, is another question. But the motivation why people even accept radical options now to enforce a drastic change - that motivation can be perfectly explained.