A SH too far?

LtRasputin · 04-20-10, 10:11 AM

I've purchased and been playing SH3 and SH4 for years. When the GWX team vaguely appeared as if they were somehow involved with SH5, I became really hopeful and excited. A GWX-style Atlantic campaign on a evolved SH4 engine with improved AI and more interaction with allied craft / special missions would have been an easy purchase for me.

I checked on SH5 progress and I find out that there's this awful "You must be online" DRM. I don't want to be tethered to the internet just to game. I like to take my laptop outside and chill out to some leisurely sailing and not care how reliable my wireless is at that distance. SH is great with a book and a cool drink or three! I don't want the hours I'm gaming tracked by someone else's license server either. What I am playing, how long, from where on the planet, at what hours is no one's business! I don't understand why people think DRM should be so intrusive and obnoxious that it strongly encourages happy paying customers to see an unlocked version as having much greater value.

Aside from the DRM issue, which is already a showstopper for me, the reviews of this game are *awful*. From the three I've read it's unfinished to a greater degree than SH4 or SH3 was and has blatant non-working functionality, some of it being architectural and not just something an easy mod can cover up.

I was planning to buy this and looking forward to it eagerly, but the DRM issue and exceptionally bad reviews have put me off until (if ever) they both change. I wonder if the SH series can even recover from such a double-misstep. I can only hope someone else will pick up the mantle and subsim will help me find it.

Feuer Frei! · 04-20-10, 10:15 AM

Welcome LtRasputin,
have patience, i think you have been "scared off" by the DRM-haters and patches coming out late etc etc....
People are working hard to polish this game to a high sheen, check out the mods section...
also patches are being released to show a level of support to the game by devs, which is very encouraging.
You will find a lot of people here that have no issues running the game, ie internet connection, and a lot of positive posts here as well by people who are "positive" with a lot of justification about SH5.
In no time this game will be what it should be, a great SubSim!

IanC · 04-20-10, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Welcome LtRasputin,
have patience, i think you have been "scared off" by the DRM-haters and patches coming out late etc etc....

He hasn't been scared off by anything, he's been reading reviews and threads that state the current condition of the game.
But I agree with you that some time in the future, if the modders will continue, SH5 can be a very good subsim.
Oh and welcome aboard LtRasputin!

CutMe · 04-20-10, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by IanC

He hasn't been scared off by anything, he's been reading reviews and threads that state the current condition of the game.
But I agree with you that some time in the future, if the modders will continue, SH5 can be a very good subsim.
Oh and welcome aboard LtRasputin!

why need moders!!! I mean yes i love our modders and their work!!! but shouldnt the game be .... normal?! playable?!

pls dont understand me wrong.. i really respect modders and love their work! but try to understand my point!

and yes.. why i have to be online for a game always!!!!

IanC · 04-20-10, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CutMe

why need moders!!! I mean yes i love our modders and their work!!! but shouldnt the game be .... normal?! playable?!
why i have to be online for a game always!!!!

I agree with you, why indeed.

Lord Justice · 04-20-10, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by IanC

I agree with you, why indeed.

Quite simply because no one is ever happy. Times change, as do wants, needs, demands, expectations, ideas, etc ( If ) only we can all have a happy medium. Is their such?
i leave you men to judge what may be!!

Bye your leave.

doomlordis · 04-21-10, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Welcome LtRasputin,
have patience, i think you have been "scared off" by the DRM-haters and patches coming out late etc etc....
People are working hard to polish this game to a high sheen, check out the mods section...
also patches are being released to show a level of support to the game by devs, which is very encouraging.
You will find a lot of people here that have no issues running the game, ie internet connection, and a lot of positive posts here as well by people who are "positive" with a lot of justification about SH5.
In no time this game will be what it should be, a great SubSim!

where did your sig picture come from, its cool.

04-21-10, 06:00 AM

It's a promo pic for Call of Duty.

TwistedFemur · 04-21-10, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Welcome LtRasputin,
have patience, i think you have been "scared off" by the DRM-haters and patches coming out late etc etc....
People are working hard to polish this game to a high sheen, check out the mods section...
also patches are being released to show a level of support to the game by devs, which is very encouraging.
You will find a lot of people here that have no issues running the game, ie internet connection, and a lot of positive posts here as well by people who are "positive" with a lot of justification about SH5.
In no time this game will be what it should be, a great SubSim!

We shoudnt need the modders to fix a game. what a racket, release a half finished, broken game and let the unpaid community modders finish it while getting $60 per disk. the A.G. should slap these highwaymen with a fraud charge.

As for dev support my gut tells me that if this patch comes out it will be the last

Stormbringer · 04-21-10, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LtRasputin

I don't want the hours I'm gaming tracked by someone else's license server either. What I am playing, how long, from where on the planet, at what hours is no one's business!

This is the crux of the issue for me. One can rationalize that such tracking and DRM intrusion isn't a huge deal, or isn't a huge deal compared to playing the game - but if you do so and buy into the system, you've simply created a self-fulfilled prophecy.

This type of intrusive, unwarranted monitoring, wrapped around the assumption that I'm a criminal first and valued customer only when subservient to their inspection; simply disgusts me. Why should I pay money to be treated like a prisoner?

I can understand the excitement about what appears to be a good start for a simulation, but I cannot understand why so many are so willing to give up their privacy to participate in that.

I enjoy playing the SH line of games, up until now, but I'd like the call for "Papieren, Bitte." to remain in the imaginary realm of the simulation and not in the reality of its execution.

Bothersome · 04-22-10, 01:37 PM

Anyone who would give up a little liberty to gain security, deserve no security nor liberty.

I'm glad and at piece with my mind about knowing that I didn't support the draconian methods implored by Ubisoft. And as far as I can tell they won't be rewarded by me for this DRM work they produced either, ever.

IanC · 04-22-10, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bothersome

Anyone who would give up a little liberty to gain security, deserve no security nor liberty.

I'm glad and at piece with my mind about knowing that I didn't support the draconian methods implored by Ubisoft. And as far as I can tell they won't be rewarded by me for this DRM work they produced either, ever.

As a wise Russian once said, They are hearing the thunderous claps of our wallets closing!

col_Kurtz · 04-22-10, 01:59 PM

With the whole respect and love for modders...

Should I wait for modders to FINISH and make this game playable for HUMANS or should I buy it?
Why?
Because...
DRM - failed.
Ubisoft - failed again.
SH5 - failed and big mistake.
Players/consumers - game testers for own money?
And the price... to high for a half product.

Just like in the poker game.
I`m waiting... But I`m not going to wait endlessly. DRM off, I will buy. DRM on, forget it!
And maybe on the front of the game box there should be big red capital letters... Only for EXPERIENCED modders from Subsim.com?

conus00 · 04-22-10, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by col_Kurtz

And maybe on the front of the game box there should be big red capital letters... Only for EXPERIENCED modders from Subsim.com?

col_Kurtz · 04-22-10, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by conus00

Am I wrong?

04-20-10, 10:11 AM	#1
LtRasputin Bilge Rat Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	A SH too far? I've purchased and been playing SH3 and SH4 for years. When the GWX team vaguely appeared as if they were somehow involved with SH5, I became really hopeful and excited. A GWX-style Atlantic campaign on a evolved SH4 engine with improved AI and more interaction with allied craft / special missions would have been an easy purchase for me. I checked on SH5 progress and I find out that there's this awful "You must be online" DRM. I don't want to be tethered to the internet just to game. I like to take my laptop outside and chill out to some leisurely sailing and not care how reliable my wireless is at that distance. SH is great with a book and a cool drink or three! I don't want the hours I'm gaming tracked by someone else's license server either. What I am playing, how long, from where on the planet, at what hours is no one's business! I don't understand why people think DRM should be so intrusive and obnoxious that it strongly encourages happy paying customers to see an unlocked version as having much greater value. Aside from the DRM issue, which is already a showstopper for me, the reviews of this game are awful. From the three I've read it's unfinished to a greater degree than SH4 or SH3 was and has blatant non-working functionality, some of it being architectural and not just something an easy mod can cover up. I was planning to buy this and looking forward to it eagerly, but the DRM issue and exceptionally bad reviews have put me off until (if ever) they both change. I wonder if the SH series can even recover from such a double-misstep. I can only hope someone else will pick up the mantle and subsim will help me find it.

04-20-10, 10:15 AM	#2
Feuer Frei! Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Valhalla Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 17	Welcome LtRasputin, have patience, i think you have been "scared off" by the DRM-haters and patches coming out late etc etc.... People are working hard to polish this game to a high sheen, check out the mods section... also patches are being released to show a level of support to the game by devs, which is very encouraging. You will find a lot of people here that have no issues running the game, ie internet connection, and a lot of positive posts here as well by people who are "positive" with a lot of justification about SH5. In no time this game will be what it should be, a great SubSim! __________________ "History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS

04-22-10, 01:59 PM	#13
col_Kurtz XO Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 424 Downloads: 341 Uploads: 0	With the whole respect and love for modders... Should I wait for modders to FINISH and make this game playable for HUMANS or should I buy it? Why? Because... DRM - failed. Ubisoft - failed again. SH5 - failed and big mistake. Players/consumers - game testers for own money? And the price... to high for a half product. Just like in the poker game. I`m waiting... But I`m not going to wait endlessly. DRM off, I will buy. DRM on, forget it! And maybe on the front of the game box there should be big red capital letters... Only for EXPERIENCED modders from Subsim.com? __________________ DRM it`s a horror, horror... col. Kurtz Apocalypse Now WinXP Pro SP3 2x1GB Geil 800Mhz DDR2, ATI 4850 Asus Top, E2160 1.80 Ghz overlocked to 2.79Ghz MoBo Asus P5b

04-21-10, 06:00 AM	#8
Kptlt_Lynch Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	It's a promo pic for Call of Duty.

04-22-10, 01:37 PM	#11
Bothersome Planesman Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 194 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Anyone who would give up a little liberty to gain security, deserve no security nor liberty. I'm glad and at piece with my mind about knowing that I didn't support the draconian methods implored by Ubisoft. And as far as I can tell they won't be rewarded by me for this DRM work they produced either, ever.