A SH too far?

LtRasputin · 04-20-10, 10:11 AM

I've purchased and been playing SH3 and SH4 for years. When the GWX team vaguely appeared as if they were somehow involved with SH5, I became really hopeful and excited. A GWX-style Atlantic campaign on a evolved SH4 engine with improved AI and more interaction with allied craft / special missions would have been an easy purchase for me.

I checked on SH5 progress and I find out that there's this awful "You must be online" DRM. I don't want to be tethered to the internet just to game. I like to take my laptop outside and chill out to some leisurely sailing and not care how reliable my wireless is at that distance. SH is great with a book and a cool drink or three! I don't want the hours I'm gaming tracked by someone else's license server either. What I am playing, how long, from where on the planet, at what hours is no one's business! I don't understand why people think DRM should be so intrusive and obnoxious that it strongly encourages happy paying customers to see an unlocked version as having much greater value.

Aside from the DRM issue, which is already a showstopper for me, the reviews of this game are *awful*. From the three I've read it's unfinished to a greater degree than SH4 or SH3 was and has blatant non-working functionality, some of it being architectural and not just something an easy mod can cover up.

I was planning to buy this and looking forward to it eagerly, but the DRM issue and exceptionally bad reviews have put me off until (if ever) they both change. I wonder if the SH series can even recover from such a double-misstep. I can only hope someone else will pick up the mantle and subsim will help me find it.

Feuer Frei! · 04-20-10, 10:15 AM

Welcome LtRasputin,
have patience, i think you have been "scared off" by the DRM-haters and patches coming out late etc etc....
People are working hard to polish this game to a high sheen, check out the mods section...
also patches are being released to show a level of support to the game by devs, which is very encouraging.
You will find a lot of people here that have no issues running the game, ie internet connection, and a lot of positive posts here as well by people who are "positive" with a lot of justification about SH5.
In no time this game will be what it should be, a great SubSim!

IanC · 04-20-10, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Welcome LtRasputin,
have patience, i think you have been "scared off" by the DRM-haters and patches coming out late etc etc....

He hasn't been scared off by anything, he's been reading reviews and threads that state the current condition of the game.
But I agree with you that some time in the future, if the modders will continue, SH5 can be a very good subsim.
Oh and welcome aboard LtRasputin!

CutMe · 04-20-10, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by IanC

He hasn't been scared off by anything, he's been reading reviews and threads that state the current condition of the game.
But I agree with you that some time in the future, if the modders will continue, SH5 can be a very good subsim.
Oh and welcome aboard LtRasputin!

why need moders!!! I mean yes i love our modders and their work!!! but shouldnt the game be .... normal?! playable?!

pls dont understand me wrong.. i really respect modders and love their work! but try to understand my point!

and yes.. why i have to be online for a game always!!!!

IanC · 04-20-10, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CutMe

why need moders!!! I mean yes i love our modders and their work!!! but shouldnt the game be .... normal?! playable?!
why i have to be online for a game always!!!!

I agree with you, why indeed.

Lord Justice · 04-20-10, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by IanC

I agree with you, why indeed.

Quite simply because no one is ever happy. Times change, as do wants, needs, demands, expectations, ideas, etc ( If ) only we can all have a happy medium. Is their such?
i leave you men to judge what may be!!

Bye your leave.

smilinicon · 04-20-10, 05:51 PM

I was put off at first, but I am really enjoying SH5 and would rather own it than not.

All I know is I can't see why anyone would even bother making a submarine sim after reading posts from all the ignorant shatheads that pass for simmers these days. It almost lowered my opionion about this website, but there are still some fine folks that post and help people here.

captainprid · 04-20-10, 05:58 PM

If you like sims, love U-Boats and are interested in the development of a game through modding, you should definately buy SHV. For all the bullpoop, vitriol and polarised points of view, it is a damn good game and will eventually become an exceptional one.

conus00 · 04-21-10, 04:06 AM

I'd say wait at least 6 months to year and then buy the game in a sale bin. By then maybe (just MAYBE) there might be GWX5 around to make the game somewhat playable. Until then, if you are expecting something like SH3+GWX or SH4+OM you will be sorely disappointed!

SilentOtto · 04-21-10, 04:35 AM

I too will wait a few months (if I finally get it), for the bugs to be solved, mods to be developed, and (maybe) the DRM internet system to be removed.

As I posted in other thread, this is the first SH release that I don't pre-order or buy as soon as it's marketed. My main reason (personal, of course, YMMV) is this: In my main computer I use linux, been using it for years. I keep a partition with windows XP and only boot there to play SH4. I don't have an antivirus, I keep the install as simple as possible since it is ONLY a gaming rig. Now imagine my thoughts, when I see SH5 as an all-time-connected system... I am SCARED to play for hours with the internet connection open. I usually downloaded mods and stuff from my ubuntu system, copy them to the windows partition, and only then boot into XP and set them up. I only connect to the internet from windows to download updates, but with microsoft caring less and less for XP support, I simply don't trust that system AT ALL to be connected for hours, just for the sucking DRM to be on!!

As I said, your mileage may vary, but even though I'd love to test SH5, and am really envious seeing your screenshots and comments on the new sim, I decided I've had enough, and took the only move I feel is sane for me. Stay out of SH5, wait and see if Ubi rethink their strategy, and play (only a little) SH4 from time to time.

Meanwhile, I've gone back to SPWaW (which, by the way, plays perfectly in linux using the wine system), entered online tournament at SP depot, and remember the good old times.

Godspeed to y'all!

Silent Otto off!

doomlordis · 04-21-10, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Welcome LtRasputin,
have patience, i think you have been "scared off" by the DRM-haters and patches coming out late etc etc....
People are working hard to polish this game to a high sheen, check out the mods section...
also patches are being released to show a level of support to the game by devs, which is very encouraging.
You will find a lot of people here that have no issues running the game, ie internet connection, and a lot of positive posts here as well by people who are "positive" with a lot of justification about SH5.
In no time this game will be what it should be, a great SubSim!

where did your sig picture come from, its cool.

04-21-10, 06:00 AM

It's a promo pic for Call of Duty.

TwistedFemur · 04-21-10, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Welcome LtRasputin,
have patience, i think you have been "scared off" by the DRM-haters and patches coming out late etc etc....
People are working hard to polish this game to a high sheen, check out the mods section...
also patches are being released to show a level of support to the game by devs, which is very encouraging.
You will find a lot of people here that have no issues running the game, ie internet connection, and a lot of positive posts here as well by people who are "positive" with a lot of justification about SH5.
In no time this game will be what it should be, a great SubSim!

We shoudnt need the modders to fix a game. what a racket, release a half finished, broken game and let the unpaid community modders finish it while getting $60 per disk. the A.G. should slap these highwaymen with a fraud charge.

As for dev support my gut tells me that if this patch comes out it will be the last

mookiemookie · 04-21-10, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by conus00

By then maybe (just MAYBE) there might be GWX5 around to make the game somewhat playable.

Don't hold your breath.

Lord Justice · 04-21-10, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Don't hold your breath.

Always the optimist

04-20-10, 10:11 AM	#1
LtRasputin Bilge Rat Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	A SH too far? I've purchased and been playing SH3 and SH4 for years. When the GWX team vaguely appeared as if they were somehow involved with SH5, I became really hopeful and excited. A GWX-style Atlantic campaign on a evolved SH4 engine with improved AI and more interaction with allied craft / special missions would have been an easy purchase for me. I checked on SH5 progress and I find out that there's this awful "You must be online" DRM. I don't want to be tethered to the internet just to game. I like to take my laptop outside and chill out to some leisurely sailing and not care how reliable my wireless is at that distance. SH is great with a book and a cool drink or three! I don't want the hours I'm gaming tracked by someone else's license server either. What I am playing, how long, from where on the planet, at what hours is no one's business! I don't understand why people think DRM should be so intrusive and obnoxious that it strongly encourages happy paying customers to see an unlocked version as having much greater value. Aside from the DRM issue, which is already a showstopper for me, the reviews of this game are awful. From the three I've read it's unfinished to a greater degree than SH4 or SH3 was and has blatant non-working functionality, some of it being architectural and not just something an easy mod can cover up. I was planning to buy this and looking forward to it eagerly, but the DRM issue and exceptionally bad reviews have put me off until (if ever) they both change. I wonder if the SH series can even recover from such a double-misstep. I can only hope someone else will pick up the mantle and subsim will help me find it.

04-20-10, 10:15 AM	#2
Feuer Frei! Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Valhalla Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 17	Welcome LtRasputin, have patience, i think you have been "scared off" by the DRM-haters and patches coming out late etc etc.... People are working hard to polish this game to a high sheen, check out the mods section... also patches are being released to show a level of support to the game by devs, which is very encouraging. You will find a lot of people here that have no issues running the game, ie internet connection, and a lot of positive posts here as well by people who are "positive" with a lot of justification about SH5. In no time this game will be what it should be, a great SubSim! __________________ "History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS

04-21-10, 04:06 AM	#9
conus00 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2008 Location: DB85 Posts: 804 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 0	I'd say wait at least 6 months to year and then buy the game in a sale bin. By then maybe (just MAYBE) there might be GWX5 around to make the game somewhat playable. Until then, if you are expecting something like SH3+GWX or SH4+OM you will be sorely disappointed! __________________

04-20-10, 05:51 PM	#7
smilinicon Bosun Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 66 Downloads: 69 Uploads: 0	I was put off at first, but I am really enjoying SH5 and would rather own it than not. All I know is I can't see why anyone would even bother making a submarine sim after reading posts from all the ignorant shatheads that pass for simmers these days. It almost lowered my opionion about this website, but there are still some fine folks that post and help people here.

04-20-10, 05:58 PM	#8
captainprid Watch Officer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Blackpool, England Posts: 347 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	If you like sims, love U-Boats and are interested in the development of a game through modding, you should definately buy SHV. For all the bullpoop, vitriol and polarised points of view, it is a damn good game and will eventually become an exceptional one.

04-21-10, 04:35 AM	#10
SilentOtto Engineer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: BF79 Posts: 209 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	I too will wait a few months (if I finally get it), for the bugs to be solved, mods to be developed, and (maybe) the DRM internet system to be removed. As I posted in other thread, this is the first SH release that I don't pre-order or buy as soon as it's marketed. My main reason (personal, of course, YMMV) is this: In my main computer I use linux, been using it for years. I keep a partition with windows XP and only boot there to play SH4. I don't have an antivirus, I keep the install as simple as possible since it is ONLY a gaming rig. Now imagine my thoughts, when I see SH5 as an all-time-connected system... I am SCARED to play for hours with the internet connection open. I usually downloaded mods and stuff from my ubuntu system, copy them to the windows partition, and only then boot into XP and set them up. I only connect to the internet from windows to download updates, but with microsoft caring less and less for XP support, I simply don't trust that system AT ALL to be connected for hours, just for the sucking DRM to be on!! As I said, your mileage may vary, but even though I'd love to test SH5, and am really envious seeing your screenshots and comments on the new sim, I decided I've had enough, and took the only move I feel is sane for me. Stay out of SH5, wait and see if Ubi rethink their strategy, and play (only a little) SH4 from time to time. Meanwhile, I've gone back to SPWaW (which, by the way, plays perfectly in linux using the wine system), entered online tournament at SP depot, and remember the good old times. Godspeed to y'all! Silent Otto off!

04-21-10, 06:00 AM	#12
Kptlt_Lynch Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	It's a promo pic for Call of Duty.