Torpedo power

kabex · 03-14-10, 05:43 AM

Hi all, been playing my first real campaign since a few years ago...

1939, Type IIA, 1st Flotilla u-21

As you know, the type II only carries 5 torpedoes and has no deckgun, so I've been having problems getting a decent tonnage in patrols; first patrol I sank one ship after hitting it 3 times if I remember correctly(having failed 1 torpedo) it was a medium cargo.

2nd patrol I spotted a Passenger/Cargo and it took me also 3 torpedoes to bring it down, after 1 having misfired/missed(not sure)... this is a big problem since I used up 4 out of 5 torpedoes on a single vessel and had to go back to base.

Also in my first patrol with my last torpedo I hit another merchant ship and followed it for about 4 hours to see if it went down and it didn't.

So how many torps do I need?! Or is something wrong with my game? GWX3.0 + a few mods.

Pappy55 · 03-14-10, 06:03 AM

In WWII The Germans too had a lot of problems with dud and faulty torpedos at the beginning of the war. Also unless you hit a ship in a sweet spot it can take a long time for them to finally sink. 1-2 tops should be more than enough for a smaller freighter..

I usually send them one tin fish then wait and if they dont sink i surface and finish them off with the deck gun. Thats if they are unarmed and have no escorts

Iranon · 03-14-10, 06:04 AM

2-3 torpedos for a cargo ship is quite typical if you hit them in the wrong spots.

Suggestions to kill with 1 eel:

- 0.5-0.8m below the keel with magnetic detonator (unreliable in the beginning of the war and in rough weather)
- Under the funnel or slightly to the front (to hit the fuel bunker, but a hit in the engine room is often crippling as well)
- Near the stern to let the flooding do the work (the ship will tilt, then sink. Hits closer to the center will just make it lie deeper in the water if they don't hit something critical).

desirableroasted · 03-14-10, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iranon

2-3 torpedos for a cargo ship is quite typical if you hit them in the wrong spots.

Suggestions to kill with 1 eel:

- 0.5-0.8m below the keel with magnetic detonator (unreliable in the beginning of the war and in rough weather)
- Under the funnel or slightly to the front (to hit the fuel bunker, but a hit in the engine room is often crippling as well)
- Near the stern to let the flooding do the work (the ship will tilt, then sink. Hits closer to the center will just make it lie deeper in the water if they don't hit something critical).

In GWX, an eel in the bows in moderate-rough seas works wonders...

Paul Riley · 03-14-10, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by desirableroasted

In GWX, an eel in the bows in moderate-rough seas works wonders...

I always try to aim for the bow section in a lot (not all) of attacks,not only is it ideal against fast ships but the forward momentum of the ship seems to increase the rate of flooding too.

Paul Riley · 03-14-10, 06:08 AM

I dislike the seemingly impotent torpedoes myself and have mentioned it in here before.3 torpedoes to bring a medium cargo down is ridiculous,and sometimes (rarely) it would merely stop dead in the water needing a 4th to send to the bottom.
I think a 25-50% increase to torpedo power is needed,in my opinion.Just look at some WWII footage of UBoat attacks,with ships decimated after a single torpedo impact with gaping holes that you could fly a plane through ! Check my sig picture below,that is what should happen to a ship after a torpedo attack

A question here to anyone that knows - does the game (GWX3) model increased torpedo power as the war progresses as happened in real life?,in which case I can accept the poor quality of them in the early months of the war.

kabex · 03-14-10, 06:17 AM

Thanks for the suggestions but they don't help much, I have no deck gun- only 5 torpedoes, I'm early in the war(magnetic useless) and am using WE assistance (94% realism, only thing unticked).

I tried 100% but the game was 99% aiming and missing and 1% playing. No thanks. IMO the WE assistance isn't cheating. :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Riley

I dislike the seemingly impotent torpedoes myself and have mentioned it in here before

Completely agree. I also wondered if it fixes itself otherwise it's pointless to play a Type II campaign, if I had a deck gun 1 torp and a 10-15 hits with the deckgun would seal the deal.

Paul Riley · 03-14-10, 06:19 AM

Maybe this mod is for better torpedoes? as there is no readme I am unsure as to exactly WHAT this does.I hope it tweaks the power setting

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...do=file&id=955

kabex · 03-14-10, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Riley

Maybe this mod is for better torpedoes? as there is no readme I am unsure as to exactly WHAT this does.I hope it tweaks the power setting

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...do=file&id=955

I'll try it out on the practice missions and report back...

Paul Riley · 03-14-10, 06:31 AM

Sounds like a plan,good luck with it.

03-14-10, 05:43 AM	#1
kabex Watch Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mexico Posts: 26 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Torpedo power Hi all, been playing my first real campaign since a few years ago... 1939, Type IIA, 1st Flotilla u-21 As you know, the type II only carries 5 torpedoes and has no deckgun, so I've been having problems getting a decent tonnage in patrols; first patrol I sank one ship after hitting it 3 times if I remember correctly(having failed 1 torpedo) it was a medium cargo. 2nd patrol I spotted a Passenger/Cargo and it took me also 3 torpedoes to bring it down, after 1 having misfired/missed(not sure)... this is a big problem since I used up 4 out of 5 torpedoes on a single vessel and had to go back to base. Also in my first patrol with my last torpedo I hit another merchant ship and followed it for about 4 hours to see if it went down and it didn't. So how many torps do I need?! Or is something wrong with my game? GWX3.0 + a few mods.

03-14-10, 06:03 AM	#2
Pappy55 Engineer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 211 Downloads: 173 Uploads: 0	In WWII The Germans too had a lot of problems with dud and faulty torpedos at the beginning of the war. Also unless you hit a ship in a sweet spot it can take a long time for them to finally sink. 1-2 tops should be more than enough for a smaller freighter.. I usually send them one tin fish then wait and if they dont sink i surface and finish them off with the deck gun. Thats if they are unarmed and have no escorts __________________

03-14-10, 06:08 AM	#6
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	I dislike the seemingly impotent torpedoes myself and have mentioned it in here before.3 torpedoes to bring a medium cargo down is ridiculous,and sometimes (rarely) it would merely stop dead in the water needing a 4th to send to the bottom. I think a 25-50% increase to torpedo power is needed,in my opinion.Just look at some WWII footage of UBoat attacks,with ships decimated after a single torpedo impact with gaping holes that you could fly a plane through ! Check my sig picture below,that is what should happen to a ship after a torpedo attack A question here to anyone that knows - does the game (GWX3) model increased torpedo power as the war progresses as happened in real life?,in which case I can accept the poor quality of them in the early months of the war. __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes Last edited by Paul Riley; 03-14-10 at 08:13 AM.

03-14-10, 06:19 AM	#8
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Maybe this mod is for better torpedoes? as there is no readme I am unsure as to exactly WHAT this does.I hope it tweaks the power setting http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...do=file&id=955 __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

03-14-10, 06:31 AM	#10
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Sounds like a plan,good luck with it. __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

03-14-10, 06:04 AM	#3
Iranon Loader Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 89 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	2-3 torpedos for a cargo ship is quite typical if you hit them in the wrong spots. Suggestions to kill with 1 eel: - 0.5-0.8m below the keel with magnetic detonator (unreliable in the beginning of the war and in rough weather) - Under the funnel or slightly to the front (to hit the fuel bunker, but a hit in the engine room is often crippling as well) - Near the stern to let the flooding do the work (the ship will tilt, then sink. Hits closer to the center will just make it lie deeper in the water if they don't hit something critical).