Interface theory

GoldenRivet · 02-03-10, 11:54 AM

In hard core realism settings.

what if there is almost no interface / hot keys - at all.

all orders and commands have to be given to crew directly.

all stations have to be accessed by walking over to them

etc

JackAubrey · 02-03-10, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

In hard core realism settings.
what if there is almost no interface / hot keys - at all.
all orders and commands have to be given to crew directly.
all stations have to be accessed by walking over to them
etc

Then it would probably better if we had Voice Recognition to compensate for the slower speed, if you have to issue commands using the mouse and multiple choice Dialogue.

But the Idea has something to it.

onelifecrisis · 02-03-10, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

In hard core realism settings.

what if there is almost no interface / hot keys - at all.

all orders and commands have to be given to crew directly.

all stations have to be accessed by walking over to them

etc

Even if that is not the case on release, it should be very very easy to mod it. Writing a new interface is hard but simply removing the existing interface (except for whatever pops up when you click on a crew member) should be quick.

Weather-guesser · 02-03-10, 12:24 PM

The way I played in the other versions was on the assumption my orders were being relayed. Not sure if I like the idea of going from compartment to compartment to get things done. Assuming what you say is true.

karamazovnew · 02-03-10, 01:08 PM

I think there was somebody who suggested that a few times, in his very first post actually... karamma-something....

If the interface is fully moddable, we're already discussing about a 3d-only interface. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160861. ALmost impossible to do in SH3&4, but we might be able to achieve it in SH5.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=151937 This was actually my very first post, so it's a sort of obsession to me.

GoldenRivet · 02-03-10, 01:20 PM

Karamazovwho?

never heard of him.

karamazovnew · 02-03-10, 01:26 PM

Actually I've just had a cold mental shower.... Silent 3D Editor.... oh crap...

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Karamazovwho?
never heard of him.

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Eric Idle: Suppose he's got a pointed stick...
John Cleese: SHUT UP!

GoldenRivet · 02-03-10, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by karamazovnew

But i came to the SH5 forum for an argument! you're only contradicting me!

Sailor Steve · 02-03-10, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Weather-guesser

The way I played in the other versions was on the assumption my orders were being relayed. Not sure if I like the idea of going from compartment to compartment to get things done. Assuming what you say is true.

Better than that, all major controls are in the...Control Room! The captain conducts all operations from there. Torpedoes are fired from there. Steering and diving controls are there. The engines are run from the engine room, but that's what the Engine Telegraphs are for. The only time the captain ever needs to leave the Control Room when in combat is if they are surfaced. Then he's on the bridge, and has some duplicate controls there and voice tubes to the Control Room for any communication needs. The control room also has voice tubes to every other compartment so they can report problems and he can ask questions. Every department also has 'runners' to relay messages to the captain. In the book Das Boot they translated the name for these as 'Johnnies'. Don't know if that's an adequate translation, but in fact every ship - even a u-boat - has sufficient personel that some can be detailed as messengers in critical situations.

Bottom line - everything that the captain needs to do can be done from the bridge/control room. Visiting any other compartment is purely fluff candy.

FIREWALL · 02-03-10, 01:35 PM

Maybe they'll include a YELLING mode.

frau kaleun · 02-03-10, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Bottom line - everything that the captain needs to do can be done from the bridge/control room. Visiting any other compartment is purely fluff candy.

I'm the kommandant, dammit. I don't want to have to micromanage my crew by making sure they all go on watch or go to their bunks at the appointed times; I sure as heck don't want to have to physically go to every crucial station to give an order regarding what to do with it.

Rank has its privileges and I have rank plus an assortment of junior officers, lackeys, not to mention a series of freakin' tubes. I should never have to leave the command room to make my wishes known and obeyed.

I have spoken. Make it so!

GoldenRivet · 02-03-10, 02:05 PM

im pretty sure you dont have to leave the command room

the second in command will relay your instructions to the remainder of the crew as i understand it.

You just tell old Josef what you want done... he will make sure they do it.

frau kaleun · 02-03-10, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

You just tell old Josef what you want done... he will make sure they do it.

Sure, if he's not too busy stuffing sweats in his mouth.

*ducks*

Kresge · 02-03-10, 02:15 PM

FIrst thing I thought about when I read the scheme for having the captain do everything and little/lack of hotkeys was the rapid fire sequence of actions you go through when committing to a torpedo attack on a convoy.

How quickly can you give all the orders for firing multiple eels at multiple targets while making course/speed/depth changes if you have to do all that in first person at different stations?

GoldenRivet · 02-03-10, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kresge

FIrst thing I thought about when I read the scheme for having the captain do everything and little/lack of hotkeys was the rapid fire sequence of actions you go through when committing to a torpedo attack on a convoy.

How quickly can you give all the orders for firing multiple eels at multiple targets while making course/speed/depth changes if you have to do all that in first person at different stations?

kinda like they had to do in real life eh?

i suppose the interface would be limited in that there would only be dials in the persicope view for setting AOB and target speed etc.

once you set the AOB for example

the weapons officer repeates the AOB and says that it is set.

you go through the sequence until the firing solution is ready.

would be a helluva neat way to do it i think... and would prevent a lot of these arcade 350K ton patrols we hear about

02-03-10, 11:54 AM	#1
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Interface theory In hard core realism settings. what if there is almost no interface / hot keys - at all. all orders and commands have to be given to crew directly. all stations have to be accessed by walking over to them etc __________________

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Weather-guesser Lieutenant Join Date: May 2007 Location: Albany, New York USA Posts: 260 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 0	The way I played in the other versions was on the assumption my orders were being relayed. Not sure if I like the idea of going from compartment to compartment to get things done. Assuming what you say is true. __________________ NAVY! It's not just a job. It's a Buck Seventy-Five an hour!

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GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	im pretty sure you dont have to leave the command room the second in command will relay your instructions to the remainder of the crew as i understand it. You just tell old Josef what you want done... he will make sure they do it. __________________

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karamazovnew The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,403 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	I think there was somebody who suggested that a few times, in his very first post actually... karamma-something.... If the interface is fully moddable, we're already discussing about a 3d-only interface. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160861. ALmost impossible to do in SH3&4, but we might be able to achieve it in SH5. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=151937 This was actually my very first post, so it's a sort of obsession to me.

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Kresge Engineer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Motor City Posts: 209 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	FIrst thing I thought about when I read the scheme for having the captain do everything and little/lack of hotkeys was the rapid fire sequence of actions you go through when committing to a torpedo attack on a convoy. How quickly can you give all the orders for firing multiple eels at multiple targets while making course/speed/depth changes if you have to do all that in first person at different stations? __________________ ". . . sailors do not fancy living underwater without breathing in sunshine occasionally." Commodore Joseph Smith commenting on the USS Monitor