Enough is enough

[oscar19681]

All this endless flow of bashing, discrediting , attacking , and harasing sh-5 can actually do damage. It has moved from the DRM thing to " sh-5 should be released for console " Sh-5 will have sharks with lasers etc etc. To make a long story short i sence that the attack is now focussed on sh-5. The funny thing is nobody has ever played it or seen anything in depth enough to say how it will be. Thuss people feel unsecure about it and start bashing it. I know most of it is focussed at UBI. but i think it will also hurt the devs. But worst of all this could seriously damage the silent hunter series. I can imagine if sails will be bad after release it will be the last silent hunter and you can all be proud becuase you all have contributed to that as well.

[IanC]

Do you really think the success or failure of SH5 rests on the comments we make here? If SH5 fails, it will be because of the direction Ubi is putting it on, not because of our forum comments.
I wish we had that much power!

[Blauritter]

Originally Posted by IanC

Do you really think the success or failure of SH5 rests on the comments we make here? If SH5 fails, it will be because of the direction Ubi is putting it on, not because of our forum comments.
I wish we had that much power!

X2..Ubi is the wrong way ...

[oscar19681]

All i,m saying is give the game a chance. It could be the greatest one yet!

[Brag]

Have Ubi remove DRM/OSP and we'll give SHV a nice push forward. With DRM/OSP included, the game is rubbish and deserves to die

Originally Posted by oscar19681

All i,m saying is give the game a chance. It could be the greatest one yet!

The chance they are having now is on it's way to expire in a month. However situation might change if they tossed out DRM completely.. But I'm affraid it's not going to happen since UBI believes DRM will serve more like money draining machine in future, rather then a counter measure against piracy

[Letum]

Originally Posted by oscar19681

All i,m saying is give the game a chance. It could be the greatest one yet!

When SHV was announced there was much rejoicing and optimism.

That that is no longer the case isn't a result of us forum members being
predisposed to negativity or not giving things a chance. Where that the
cause, the negativity would not be unusual. It is.

Therefor, the dissaperance of the rejoicing and optimism and the
negativity that has since emerged must be a result, not of inherently
negative and bias attitudes, but of what we have been told of the game
so far.

Now it could be that the information we have only focuses on the worst
aspects of the game, but that seams to me unlikely. It is more likely that
the press releases have focused mainly on the best parts of the game.

If you take a rejoicing and optimism crowd, who have not previously
been inclined to negativity, show them mainly the best parts of the game
and they then become negative and worrisome, it does not bode well.

[TDK1044]

Nothing that happens on this Forum will effect Silent Hunter 5 in any way. Historically in the Silent Hunter series, the total percentage of sales from this and other Forums has been a very small number...certainly under 10 percent.

With Silent Hunter 5, Ubisoft has made a business decision to make it an online game targeted at casual gamers. It's therefore understandable that those who wanted the game to continue towards a sim rather than becoming an online arcade experience are critical of this decision.

[razark]

Originally Posted by oscar19681

All i,m saying is give the game a chance. It could be the greatest one yet!

It could be. The problem is that people were expecting GWX5 out of the box, and everything we've seen points to Das Boot, The Game.

It's a new direction in submarine games. It's an interesting concept, and I'll watch to see how it goes. But so far, nothing seems to really connect with a submarine _simulation_ in this game. Perhaps it is there. The marketing campaign may just be going off in a different direction, figuring the folks here are sold already, but a lot of people have been put off by what has been released about the game so far.

The game will have its chance in March. The marketing department has had its chance, and has not brought a lot of hope so far.

[Brag]

Originally Posted by razark

It could be. The problem is that people were expecting GWX5 out of the box, and everything we've seen points to Das Boot, The Game.

It's a new direction in submarine games. It's an interesting concept, and I'll watch to see how it goes. But so far, nothing seems to really connect with a submarine _simulation_ in this game. Perhaps it is there. The marketing campaign may just be going off in a different direction, figuring the folks here are sold already, but a lot of people have been put off by what has been released about the game so far.

The game will have its chance in March. The marketing department has had its chance, and has not brought a lot of hope so far.

What Ubi marketing is doing is trying to shove DRM/OSP to an unwilling public with the game taking second place as a vehicle--fatal mistake

[frau kaleun]

Originally Posted by razark

It could be. The problem is that people were expecting GWX5 out of the box, and everything we've seen points to Das Boot, The Game.

Despite all the fun I've had in other threads cracking wise about various presumed elements of SHV based on info released so far... I can tell you without hesitation that I would absolutely buy "Das Boot: The Game."

If it turned out to be more arcade-y or whatever then I would consider it a very fast and shiny alternative to SH3+GWX3 and probably have some fun with it. If it got modded to be something more/better/different, I'd probably have some fun with that too.

What I will not do is pay the full release-date price for any single-player game that limits my ability to play it whenever and for however long I like by making that ability utterly dependent on the reliable service and continued goodwill of a corporation over which I have no control and which already has my money.

[martes86]

Originally Posted by IanC

Do you really think the success or failure of SH5 rests on the comments we make here? If SH5 fails, it will be because of the direction Ubi is putting it on, not because of our forum comments.
I wish we had that much power!

Correction for accuracy: if SH5 fails, it will be because Ubi's direction for it will result in people not wanting to buy it, and that's the real killer, the lack of sales. Comments in the forum are also an influence on people that read forums to see how good/bad some thing is, and negative image also contributes to negative sales.

Cheers

PS.: Oh, and, yes, I agree the abuse of jokes/bashing will ultimately have a bad effect if it translates only in lower sales.

[MercurySeven]

Well, bottom line is a rather bad use of the community for developing purpose by UBI. Yes, there is a lot of ranting going on which contributes to the fact that a growing portion of SH fanboys and people that just discovered SH and though it might be worth a try become very cautious about the thing and drop their plans to preorder. But if the information policy and the overall marketing strategy were better (Customer Lifetime Value, for crying out loud!) this might have very well been the other way round with an active and passionate community actively promoting the game throughout the internet. UBIs marketing and strategic department overall failed to promote SH5 so now they get the resulting PR. Other companies and other games have shown how it SHOULD be done. UBI just chose not to learn from them.

It's the rule of nature.. If ppl are happy about something they are expressing it with joy and all positive it has. If ppl are dissapointed about something they are expressing negative emotions, and no one should say or draw a line how much of this should be. It's all natural stuff so pls be tollerant to negatives as you are to positives and reversed. Thanks

[Letum]

There are genuine issues that people are unhappy about based on press
releases and what we already know about SHV.

If SHV does not deserve the general public opinion that the majority of
Subsim members are energetically expressing, and if it is also damaging
the game's prospects, then it would easily be fixed by Ubisoft putting
the record straight and showing us our error.

From the fact that this has not happened, we can conclude that either
Ubisoft does not think the negativity is damaging enough to be refuted,
or Ubisoft can not refute the basis of the concerns because they are truthful.

Neither of these possible cases would give us any obligation to stay quiet
about our concerns and grievances.