SH4 wont promote an LT

[KaleunMarco]

earlier this month, a forum contributor mentioned that he edited his rank to LT in an effort to more closely align his starting rank with WWII USN reality.

so, i decided to try the same thing. changed my starting rank to LT. made sure that there were three parms in the UPC.cfg file and shoved off.

RankDaysUS=90,180,180
RankPatrolsUS=4,5,20

Nine successful missions into the career and i am still an LT and i find myself wondering why SH4 will not promote a USN LT to LtCdr.

I do not think the mods have anything to do with this...i think it is SH4.

Generic Mod Enabler - v2.6.0.157
[C:\Ubisoft\FOTRSU\MODS]

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399_NoScrollNavMap
400_Nihon Kaigun v1.1b
410_Nippon Maru v1.6c
420_Combined Roster
900_jimimadrid Torpedos

[propbeanie]

I'm not certain KM, but check this out:

[Rank 12]
ID=LT
Level=12
TreeType= USNavy
NameDisplayable=Lieutenant
Image=5
3DClothingIDLink= ClothingO3
XPRequirement= 8150
LevelUp= Base
MaxQualifications= 1
MaxSpecialAbilities= 1
AvailableQualifications= NULL
AvailableSpecialAbilities= Ability-Master-Engineer, Ability-Sharpshooter, Ability-Torpedo-Specialist, Ability-Torpedo-Expert, Ability-Medic, Ability-Engines-Expert, Ability-Propulsion-Specialist, Ability-Expert-Sonarman, Ability-Expert-Radarman, Ability-Watchman, Ability-Radioman, Ability-Theoretician, Ability-Active-Stalker, Ability-Active-Overcharge, Ability-Active-Riposte, Ability-Active-Bombarde, Ability-Active-Quick-Repair, Ability-Active-Quick-Escape, Ability-Active-Perfect-Pitch, Ability-Active-Medic, Ability-Active-Sensors-Alert
GetSpecialAbilityChance= 1
EfficiencyMod= 1.0
DescriptionWhenPlayerHasTheRank=The player has the
DescriptionWhenPlayerDoesntHaveTheRank=Description of the

[Rank 13]
ID=LTCDR
Level=13
TreeType= USNavy
NameDisplayable=Lieutenant Commander
Image=5
3DClothingIDLink= Clothing04
XPRequirement= 20000
LevelUp= Restricted
MaxQualifications= 1
MaxSpecialAbilities= 1
AvailableQualifications= NULL
AvailableSpecialAbilities= NULL
GetSpecialAbilityChance= 0
EfficiencyMod= 1.0
DescriptionWhenPlayerHasTheRank=The player has the Rank <b>LTCDR</b>
DescriptionWhenPlayerDoesntHaveTheRank=Description of the Rank <b>LTCDR</b>

Notice that the Lieutenant is missing some of the text... I doubt if that has anything to do with it, but the "XPRequirement= 20000" might... ?? From the looks of it, the Lieutenant rank is not meant as a player rank, since it has "LevelUp= Base". Maybe if you change that to "Restricted" and change the info text, like the other player ranks? dunno though. You would probably have to add a <LT> description to one of the text files also, for those description lines, but I cannot find a file for that. Let us know how it goes though, if you can get it to cooperate with you.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

I'm not certain KM, but check this out:

Notice that the Lieutenant is missing some of the text... I doubt if that has anything to do with it, but the "XPRequirement= 20000" might... ?? From the looks of it, the Lieutenant rank is not meant as a player rank, since it has "LevelUp= Base". Maybe if you change that to "Restricted" and change the info text, like the other player ranks? dunno though. You would probably have to add a <LT> description to one of the text files also, for those description lines, but I cannot find a file for that. Let us know how it goes though, if you can get it to cooperate with you.

i understand your points and i think i agree with your conclusion that LT is not meant for a player-Captain rank, by the UBI designers.

i edited the Ranks file by placing some text in these two parms in order to see if/where it appeared.

DescriptionWhenPlayerHasTheRank=Just typing something here to see where it appears <b>LTCDR</b>
DescriptionWhenPlayerDoesntHaveTheRank=Just typing something here to see where it doesnt appear <b>LTCDR</b>

this is the result.


so, again, i will agree with you that LT appears to be not designed as a player-Captain rank. since there are like six or seven ranks available, and the US side only uses three, there should be a way of dropping one of the flag ranks and inserting the LT rank at the front of the list. in what file is the player-Captain ranks in the graphic above stored? if we could disect that file we may be able to figure out how to drop one rank and replace it with another.

i reserve the right to "noodle" around for a possible solution. if you hear a loud noise and see a mushroom cloud in the midwest you'll know i did something bad, by accident of course.


i have always maintained (through experience) that the US-side is programmed differently than the German side and this is probably another manifestation of that difference.

[propbeanie]

I had forgotten about the rank epaulette images. I don't think the Lieutenant rank has those... hmmm...

This text editing is all in Ranks.upc, btw. It looks like though, that the <LTCDR> text just tells the game to make red, bolded text, so substituting <LT> should work fine there. As mentioned above, I would attempt to change the

XPRequirement= 8150
LevelUp= Base

to something like

XPRequirement= 15000
LevelUp= Restricted

which should then make it a player rank. If the game chokes on that, then delete the full admiral "[Rank 18]" listing, and renumber the others below. I don't see any obvious reason that wouldn't work... though it is SH4...

You'll probably also have to make "AvailableSpecialAbilities= NULL", and should probably set "GetSpecialAbilityChance= 0" to match the other player ranks, unless the mod you are in has those for a player rank. Then just add that "Rank <b>LT</b>" text to the end of the last two lines. Surely it will work without having to delete anything...

[Bubblehead1980]

Just a side note. To my knowledge, no LT ever commanded a fleetboat, a few commanded S-Boats prior to and in early phase of war but most were LCDR.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

I had forgotten about the rank epaulette images. I don't think the Lieutenant rank has those... hmmm...

This text editing is all in Ranks.upc, btw. It looks like though, that the <LTCDR> text just tells the game to make red, bolded text, so substituting <LT> should work fine there. As mentioned above, I would attempt to change the

XPRequirement= 8150
LevelUp= Base

to something like

XPRequirement= 15000
LevelUp= Restricted

which should then make it a player rank. If the game chokes on that, then delete the full admiral "[Rank 18]" listing, and renumber the others below. I don't see any obvious reason that wouldn't work... though it is SH4...

You'll probably also have to make "AvailableSpecialAbilities= NULL", and should probably set "GetSpecialAbilityChance= 0" to match the other player ranks, unless the mod you are in has those for a player rank. Then just add that "Rank <b>LT</b>" text to the end of the last two lines. Surely it will work without having to delete anything...

deleted the last Admiral rank, renumbered the ranks that followed it, added the <b>LT</b> to each line in the LT section of Ranks.cfg.

made no difference. still didn't get promoted after a successful mission (3 pts and an award).

i don't think anything but a re-design will work.

i'll bet if i change my rank to LtCDR and have a successful next mission, i'll be promoted to CDR.

any takers?

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

deleted the last Admiral rank, renumbered the ranks that followed it, added the <b>LT</b> to each line in the LT section of Ranks.cfg.

made no difference. still didn't get promoted after a successful mission (3 pts and an award).

i don't think anything but a re-design will work.

i'll bet if i change my rank to LtCDR and have a successful next mission, i'll be promoted to CDR.

any takers?

lol If it comes down to betting on whether SH 4 will be FUBAR, I bet it will. I am at the end of my rope with this sim far as modding lol, what a mess.

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

deleted the last Admiral rank, renumbered the ranks that followed it, added the <b>LT</b> to each line in the LT section of Ranks.cfg.

made no difference. still didn't get promoted after a successful mission (3 pts and an award).

i don't think anything but a re-design will work.

i'll bet if i change my rank to LtCDR and have a successful next mission, i'll be promoted to CDR.

any takers?

You didn't forget that "LevelUp= Base" to "Restricted" line, did you? My guess though, is that it is a hard-wired thang...

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

i reserve the right to "noodle" around for a possible solution. if you hear a loud noise and see a mushroom cloud in the midwest you'll know i did something bad, by accident of course.

'noodling around' is a primary tenet of Big Bang Theory...in which case Chicago will be even 'more dangerous' than Omaha Beach!!here's where Big bang noodling really gets it's start!??>

 

Originally Posted by Kaleun Marco

Location
Chicago area, which is more dangerous than Omaha Beach.

F.D. Roosevelt
President of the United States
White House
Washington, D.C.
Sir:

Some recent work by E. Fermi and L. Szilard, which has been communicated to me in manuscript, leads me to expect that the element uranium may be turned into a new and important source of energy in the immediate future. Certain aspects of the situation which has arisen seem to call for watchfulness and if necessary, quick action on the part of the Administration. I believe therefore that it is my duty to bring to your attention the following facts and recommendations.

In the course of the last four months it has been made probable through the work of Joliot in France as well as Fermi and Szilard in America--that it may be possible to set up a nuclear chain reaction in a large mass of uranium, by which vast amounts of power and large quantities of new radium-like elements would be generated. Now it appears almost certain that this could be achieved in the immediate future.

This new phenomenon would also lead to the construction of bombs, and it is conceivable--though much less certain--that extremely powerful bombs of this type may thus be constructed. A single bomb of this type, carried by boat and exploded in a port, might very well destroy the whole port together with some of the surrounding territory. However, such bombs might very well prove too heavy for transportation by air.

The United States has only very poor ores of uranium in moderate quantities. There is some good ore in Canada and former Czechoslovakia, while the most important source of uranium is in the Belgian Congo.

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a) to approach Government Departments, keep them informed of the further development, and put forward recommendations for Government action, giving particular attention to the problem of securing a supply of uranium ore for the United States.

b) to speed up the experimental work, which is at present being carried on within the limits of the budgets of University laboratories, by providing funds, if such funds be required, through his contacts with private persons who are willing to make contributions for this cause, and perhaps also by obtaining co-operation of industrial laboratories which have necessary equipment.

I understand that Germany has actually stopped the sale of uranium from the Czechoslovakian mines which she has taken over. That she should have taken such early action might perhaps be understood on the ground that the son of the German Under-Secretary of State, von Weizsacker, is attached to the Kaiser-Wilhelm Institute in Berlin, where some of the American work on uranium is now being repeated.

Yours very truly,

Signature
Albert Einstein

[KaleunMarco]

[QUOTE=Aktungbby;2808315]'noodling around' is a primary tenet of Big Bang Theory...in which case Chicago will be even 'more dangerous' than Omaha Beach!!here's where Big bang noodling really gets it's start!??>

yes.it.does.

i did some undergrad work at a school that provided some physics lab work to that project.

...and the Omaha Beach reference is referring to personal safety....not to thermonuclear devices.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

You didn't forget that "LevelUp= Base" to "Restricted" line, did you? My guess though, is that it is a hard-wired thang...

no, i didnt forget and yes, it made no difference at all.

and for the Kaleuns who were making book on whether the changes referenced above would promote an LT to LtCdr.....it did not work.

and....when i changed my rank to LtCdr and returned from the next successful career-mission, i was duly promoted to Cdr.

LT is not a valid rank for a player-captain if you expect to be promoted.

[propbeanie]

As expected...

[Xerxes]

This makes me think of all the weird residual things that must've been added to the game in preparation for features, and were never fully realized.



Either that or some of the glitc- er "features" broke the systems those components belonged to.

[pabbi]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

I'm not certain KM, but check this out:

[Rank 12]
ID=LT
Level=12
TreeType= USNavy
NameDisplayable=Lieutenant
Image=5
3DClothingIDLink= ClothingO3
XPRequirement= 8150
LevelUp= Base
MaxQualifications= 1
MaxSpecialAbilities= 1
AvailableQualifications= NULL
AvailableSpecialAbilities= Ability-Master-Engineer, Ability-Sharpshooter, Ability-Torpedo-Specialist, Ability-Torpedo-Expert, Ability-Medic, Ability-Engines-Expert, Ability-Propulsion-Specialist, Ability-Expert-Sonarman, Ability-Expert-Radarman, Ability-Watchman, Ability-Radioman, Ability-Theoretician, Ability-Active-Stalker, Ability-Active-Overcharge, Ability-Active-Riposte, Ability-Active-Bombarde, Ability-Active-Quick-Repair, Ability-Active-Quick-Escape, Ability-Active-Perfect-Pitch, Ability-Active-Medic, Ability-Active-Sensors-Alert
GetSpecialAbilityChance= 1
EfficiencyMod= 1.0
DescriptionWhenPlayerHasTheRank=The player has the
DescriptionWhenPlayerDoesntHaveTheRank=Description of the

[Rank 13]
ID=LTCDR
Level=13
TreeType= USNavy
NameDisplayable=Lieutenant Commander
Image=5
3DClothingIDLink= Clothing04
XPRequirement= 20000
LevelUp= Restricted
MaxQualifications= 1
MaxSpecialAbilities= 1
AvailableQualifications= NULL
AvailableSpecialAbilities= NULL
GetSpecialAbilityChance= 0
EfficiencyMod= 1.0
DescriptionWhenPlayerHasTheRank=The player has the Rank <b>LTCDR</b>
DescriptionWhenPlayerDoesntHaveTheRank=Description of the Rank <b>LTCDR</b>

Notice that the Lieutenant is missing some of the text... I doubt if that has anything to do with it, but the "XPRequirement= 20000" might... ?? From the looks of it, the Lieutenant rank is not meant as a player rank, since it has "LevelUp= Base". Maybe if you change that to "Restricted" and change the info text, like the other player ranks? dunno though. You would probably have to add a <LT> description to one of the text files also, for those description lines, but I cannot find a file for that. Let us know how it goes though, if you can get it to cooperate with you.

Here is the file from SH v.1.4

[Rank 12]
ID=LT
Level=12
TreeType= USNavy
NameDisplayable=Lieutenant
Image=5
3DClothingIDLink= ClothingOfficers
XPRequirement= 8150
LevelUp= Free
MaxQualifications= 1
MaxLocalAbilities= 1
MaxGlobalAbilities= 1
AvailableQualifications= NULL
AvailableLocalAbilities= NULL
AvailableGlobalAbilities= GAbilMoraleBooster1, GAbilMoraleBooster2
GetLocalAbliltityChance= 0
GetGlobalAbliltityChance= 0.35
EfficiencyMod= 1.0

[Rank 13]
ID=LTCDR
Level=13
TreeType= USNavy
NameDisplayable=Lieutenant Commander
Image=5
3DClothingIDLink= ClothingOfficers
XPRequirement= 20000
LevelUp= Restricted
MaxQualifications= 1
MaxLocalAbilities= 1
MaxGlobalAbilities= 1
AvailableQualifications= NULL
AvailableLocalAbilities= NULL
AvailableGlobalAbilities= NULL
GetLocalAbliltityChance= 0
GetGlobalAbliltityChance= 0
EfficiencyMod= 1.0

[Rank 14]
ID=CDR
Level=14
TreeType= USNavy
NameDisplayable=Commander
Image=5
3DClothingIDLink= ClothingOfficers
XPRequirement= 25000
LevelUp= Restricted
MaxQualifications= 1
MaxLocalAbilities= 1
MaxGlobalAbilities= 1
AvailableQualifications= NULL
AvailableLocalAbilities= NULL
AvailableGlobalAbilities= NULL
GetLocalAbliltityChance= 0
GetGlobalAbliltityChance= 0
EfficiencyMod= 1.0


Maybe it is the same i do not know, but it look's a lot different

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by pabbi

Here is the file from SH v.1.4


Maybe it is the same i do not know, but it look's a lot different

thanks for your comments and you are right, it is different.

Within the 1.5 UBM SH4, on the US-side, a user-player begins as a LtCdr and has the capability of two promotions. on the German-side, there are five or six ranks that a user-player may acquire.

so, my thought was that if i change my starting rank to LT (and a couple of other parameters) i could maybe extend the range of ranks to four.

however, after playing a while with that rank and having over a dozen successful missions, my rank is still LT. that behaviour leads me to believe that user-player promotions seem to be hard-coded by UBI.

all of the ranks are properly defined but Ubi's design for a US commanding officer do not have the wherewithal to advance a user-player from LT to LtCdr.