need a bit help on figuring out true position under real navigation

Wolfcat · 12-28-19, 11:51 AM

I watched a few videos on real navigation, but none talked about how to manually figure out your position. Most simply ask the navigator for the fix. But AI always has some error. Is there any way to do this manually yourself?

bstanko6 · 12-28-19, 01:38 PM

Hey wolfcat. It’s called dead reckoning. Knowing your speed, and watching the stopwatch you can roughly determine your position on the map! Of course, limited by pc, it’s impossible to determine Course Made Good, And such. I have a video on dead reckoning. If you wish. Click my signature.

Wolfcat · 12-29-19, 04:57 AM

Dude, ur channel is so messy. U have SH3 and Sh5 stuff mixed together. Can't you create some playlists to organize things.

It's all good. Just busting your chops. Nice video. But I am more interested to learn about celestial positioning. I haven't been able to find any good ones online. Also, in your video, you mentioned you would do another video on tactical deck reckoning, but I haven't seen anything in your library.

bstanko6 · 12-29-19, 10:48 AM

Celestial navigating is difficult since it is not modeled well in the game. The sextant used is not even doing it correctly, but through the limitation of the game. The SH3/5 videos work for both games.

THEBERBSTER · 12-29-19, 07:41 PM

Hi W
Just change the Real Navigation settings in TDW's OFEV so the navigatior gives you what you want.
For example the default error is 5,000 meters just change it 0 and you are on the money.
Peter

Sean C · 12-30-19, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfcat

I am more interested to learn about celestial positioning.

I'd be happy to help.

Wolfcat · 12-30-19, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathaniel B.

I'd be happy to help.

Sure, show me. very interested to learn.

Sean C · 12-30-19, 06:15 PM

Well, detailing the whole process would be a bit lengthy to post here (but I can do that if you like). Is there something in particular you are having trouble with?

Also, keep in mind that several members here have come to the conclusion that accurate celestial navigation cannot be done in SH. (I don't know because I don't play it.) But if you learn how to do it, you can decide for yourself.

Wolfcat · 12-31-19, 09:48 AM

If accurate positioning cannot be done in game then forget it. I guess all games have limitations, can't replicate the real world 100% correct.

excel4004 · 12-31-19, 10:43 AM

Relax, in 99% percent of the game it isnt important to know excactly where you are. Make you calculations for your engagement near Hawaii or near Kiel, it doesent matter where you are exactly for the right AOB.

derstosstrupp · 12-31-19, 03:40 PM

There’s always this:https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...d.php?t=134816

Mod your game to hide your own boat icon, then…
By way of a python script that pulls your coordinates out of SH3 or SH4, and puts them into a planetarium software, you can go into the software and get your real world sights, go back into the game and plot it. I’ve done this quite a bit. The only caveat is that the game then becomes all about this, and you tend to get burnt out pretty quickly. But it scratches the itch.

vdr1981 · 01-01-20, 07:44 AM

In this thread you can see that the full celestial navigation is absolutely possible in SH5/TWoS. Also, I certainly am not the expert on this subject but I remember that Sjizzle told that the celestial sphere is accurate in SH5, something which wasn't the case in previous SH games.

Unfortunately, pictures from the tutorial are down from some case. I hope Sjizzle will fix that soon...

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...d.php?t=206103

Happy new year Captains!

derstosstrupp · 01-01-20, 08:29 AM

I mean yeah, he’s just doing a sun line for latitude, that’s not full celestial though with multiple star fixes etc., that I have never seen done in the game. Also, I tried to do this with the sextant in TWOS and I could not figure out how to get an accurate reading down to the necessary minute of accuracy with all the bucking around of the boat

vdr1981 · 01-01-20, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by derstosstrupp

I mean yeah, he’s just doing a sun line for latitude, that’s not full celestial though with multiple star fixes etc., that I have never seen done in the game. Also, I tried to do this with the sextant in TWOS and I could not figure out how to get an accurate reading down to the necessary minute of accuracy with all the bucking around of the boat

Well, something is better than nothing IMO.

That been said I'm pretty much positive that Sizzle has confirmed what I said about star positions in SH5. I'll try to find the exact post...

Regarding your measurement problem, try to pause the game (backspace) when you align your sextant with the horizon. Than do the measurement. Real sextant double view could not be implemented in SH5 but the existing one could also do the job with mentioned "pause" trick.

derstosstrupp · 01-01-20, 08:56 AM

Excellent suggestion I will try that! Thanks!

And yes I agree, something is certainly better than nothing.

12-28-19, 11:51 AM	#1
Wolfcat Chief Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 325 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	need a bit help on figuring out true position under real navigation I watched a few videos on real navigation, but none talked about how to manually figure out your position. Most simply ask the navigator for the fix. But AI always has some error. Is there any way to do this manually yourself?

12-28-19, 01:38 PM	#2
bstanko6 Admiral Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Murwik Naval Academy Posts: 2,130 Downloads: 390 Uploads: 13	Hey wolfcat. It’s called dead reckoning. Knowing your speed, and watching the stopwatch you can roughly determine your position on the map! Of course, limited by pc, it’s impossible to determine Course Made Good, And such. I have a video on dead reckoning. If you wish. Click my signature. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] BSTANKO6'S SH5 NAVAL ACADEMY http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPbe...W2NArCA/videos DISCORD https://discord.gg/6tFeTSUmVc

12-29-19, 10:48 AM	#4
bstanko6 Admiral Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Murwik Naval Academy Posts: 2,130 Downloads: 390 Uploads: 13	Celestial navigating is difficult since it is not modeled well in the game. The sextant used is not even doing it correctly, but through the limitation of the game. The SH3/5 videos work for both games. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] BSTANKO6'S SH5 NAVAL ACADEMY http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPbe...W2NArCA/videos DISCORD https://discord.gg/6tFeTSUmVc

12-29-19, 07:41 PM	#5
THEBERBSTER Growing Old Disgracefully Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Hythe - Southampton Posts: 9,609 Downloads: 1133 Uploads: 0	Hi W Just change the Real Navigation settings in TDW's OFEV so the navigatior gives you what you want. For example the default error is 5,000 meters just change it 0 and you are on the money. Peter __________________ LSH3-2015 <> TUTORIALS <> ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW <> ALL IN ONE PLACE SH4 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS SH5 <> TUTORIALS <> HOW TO DO IT <> INFORMATION <> DOWNLOAD LINKS Always Here To Help A Fellow 'Subber' \| Need An Answer to A Question Just Send Me A PM

12-30-19, 06:15 PM	#8
Sean C Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 984 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 2	Well, detailing the whole process would be a bit lengthy to post here (but I can do that if you like). Is there something in particular you are having trouble with? Also, keep in mind that several members here have come to the conclusion that accurate celestial navigation cannot be done in SH. (I don't know because I don't play it.) But if you learn how to do it, you can decide for yourself. __________________ If you have a question about celestial navigation ... ask me! Celestial Navigation Spreadsheet

12-29-19, 04:57 AM	#3
Wolfcat Chief Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 325 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	Dude, ur channel is so messy. U have SH3 and Sh5 stuff mixed together. Can't you create some playlists to organize things. It's all good. Just busting your chops. Nice video. But I am more interested to learn about celestial positioning. I haven't been able to find any good ones online. Also, in your video, you mentioned you would do another video on tactical deck reckoning, but I haven't seen anything in your library.

12-31-19, 09:48 AM	#9
Wolfcat Chief Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 325 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	If accurate positioning cannot be done in game then forget it. I guess all games have limitations, can't replicate the real world 100% correct.

12-31-19, 10:43 AM	#10
excel4004 Hans-Jürgen Hellriegel Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 375 Downloads: 265 Uploads: 0	Relax, in 99% percent of the game it isnt important to know excactly where you are. Make you calculations for your engagement near Hawaii or near Kiel, it doesent matter where you are exactly for the right AOB. __________________ U-96 March 1942 - March 1943 * OLt.z.S. Hans-Jürgen Hellriegel

12-31-19, 03:40 PM	#11
derstosstrupp Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 914 Downloads: 490 Uploads: 0	There’s always this:https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...d.php?t=134816 Mod your game to hide your own boat icon, then… By way of a python script that pulls your coordinates out of SH3 or SH4, and puts them into a planetarium software, you can go into the software and get your real world sights, go back into the game and plot it. I’ve done this quite a bit. The only caveat is that the game then becomes all about this, and you tend to get burnt out pretty quickly. But it scratches the itch. __________________ Ask me anything about the Type VII or IX! One-Stop Targeting Shop: https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...WwBt-1vjW28JbO My YT Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIJ...9FXbD3S2kgwdPQ

01-01-20, 07:44 AM	#12
vdr1981 Navy Seal Join Date: May 2010 Location: Србија Posts: 6,078 Downloads: 581 Uploads: 13	In this thread you can see that the full celestial navigation is absolutely possible in SH5/TWoS. Also, I certainly am not the expert on this subject but I remember that Sjizzle told that the celestial sphere is accurate in SH5, something which wasn't the case in previous SH games. Unfortunately, pictures from the tutorial are down from some case. I hope Sjizzle will fix that soon... https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...d.php?t=206103 Happy new year Captains! __________________ Best regards... Vecko The Wolves of Steel v2.2.25_SH5 Expansion Pack_Full The Wolves of Steel v2.2.xx to v2.2.25 - Update PDF Install Instructions How to report an issue If You wish to support my work... Last edited by vdr1981; 01-01-20 at 07:52 AM.

01-01-20, 08:29 AM	#13
derstosstrupp Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 914 Downloads: 490 Uploads: 0	I mean yeah, he’s just doing a sun line for latitude, that’s not full celestial though with multiple star fixes etc., that I have never seen done in the game. Also, I tried to do this with the sextant in TWOS and I could not figure out how to get an accurate reading down to the necessary minute of accuracy with all the bucking around of the boat __________________ Ask me anything about the Type VII or IX! One-Stop Targeting Shop: https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...WwBt-1vjW28JbO My YT Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIJ...9FXbD3S2kgwdPQ

01-01-20, 08:56 AM	#15
derstosstrupp Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 914 Downloads: 490 Uploads: 0	Excellent suggestion I will try that! Thanks! And yes I agree, something is certainly better than nothing. __________________ Ask me anything about the Type VII or IX! One-Stop Targeting Shop: https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...WwBt-1vjW28JbO My YT Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIJ...9FXbD3S2kgwdPQ