[TEC] Help with WIP unit visual damage (?)

VonDos · 08-21-18, 11:30 AM

Hi everyone!
In those days i'm working on a new Queen Elizabeth model.
I've finished 3d model for civilian version, i've imported all parts with 3ditor, created damage profile, and tested in SH3.
I've found this strange bug: when a torpedo hit the hull, sometimes damage textures appears. Sometimes doesn't. Randomly.
In both case ship slow down and take damage points \ sink.
I've tryed to rebuild files, re-import models, clone files, no results. This is really frustranting.

This is the Wip unit, nearby her parent unit (Queen Mary):

Same at night:

Is there anyone who can help me solve this situation?

Best regards,
Vd

VonDos · 08-23-18, 06:09 PM

Update:
after tons of test, i've found this interesting thing: whend torpedoes hit some unit parts, damage effects were just too small for be seen.
I've rebuilded all, but now some damaged part are ok, some other appears like this:

What parameter is used ingame to regulate damage effect dimension?

Best regards,
Vd

PS
After just close and reload test mission, i try to shell again the ship.
This is the unexpeted result:

I'm asking myself if there's something wrong in my sh3 installation.
Same tests, different results.
Could someone please test this unit for me, and just hit her with shells and torpedoes?

Best regards,
Vd

Hebe Vollmaus · 08-27-18, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonDos

...
I'm asking myself if there's something wrong in my sh3 installation.
Same tests, different results.
Could someone please test this unit for me, and just hit her with shells and torpedoes?
...

Yes, i can test it.
I have seen such behavior long ago on my own installation, but cant remember what the problem was. Also can not find related threads here on Subsim to lack on right Search-keywords.

Can you identify this Damage-Texture? If this texture comes from a *.dat i would look first into this *.dat.

Greetings.

[EDIT]
Files received, testing now.

Anvar1061 · 08-28-18, 12:28 PM

I had this. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=230936
Refer to the frog. Or look at how Unit **. val "ANZACMICKS DAMAGE IMMERSION" mod

Hebe Vollmaus · 08-31-18, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anvar1061

I had this. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=230936
Refer to the frog. Or look at how Unit **. val "ANZACMICKS DAMAGE IMMERSION" mod

Thanks Anvar1061.
When google the next line:
"damage texture" Silent hunter 3 -Downloads
the first Picture i get is directed to this:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=231185

This Damage-texture there looks like the one here. I think the Background is the original SH3 'Damage_metal_a.tga'.

Greetings.

VonDos · 08-31-18, 04:39 PM

Thanks everyone!
File names in Val file are OK, files are present.

@Anvar1061 your linked post refere to a splitted half unit with wrong textures; sadly, this is a different scenario.

@Hebe Vollmaus this is really interesting. Yes, 'Damage_metal_a.tga' appear to be involved...
I've read your linked post also, same problem, bingo, but where is the solution?

Best regards,
Vd

Hebe Vollmaus · 09-08-18, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonDos

Thanks everyone!
File names in Val file are OK, files are present.
8<--

In the past i was not able to identify this ugly big texture. I figured it must be came out of some different File, tga or dat, maybe by some sort of mismatching names in such dat.

But thanks to VD's files now find out, this white zig-zack-pattern texture is actually the correct Damage-texture (Damage_metal_a.tga) but with many times concadenated to itself to each other and rotated by 45 degrees as intended.
One small hole as Expl_mask01_a.tga in front and many copies of Damage_metal_a.tga as background but filles some great part or section of the ship-model.

So it maybe have something todo with the 3D-model and its Texture-coordinates.
I have never created a ship for SH3, so i'm not shure.

I extracted the 3D-model with S3D, loaded into Anim8or, saved without touching the model, and reload into *.dat. Now these ugly white zig-zack-pattern is gone.
But some Damage-textures are not shown or work as they should be.

Greetings.

VonDos · 09-12-18, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hebe Vollmaus

In the past i was not able to identify this ugly big texture. I figured it must be came out of some different File, tga or dat, maybe by some sort of mismatching names in such dat.

But thanks to VD's files now find out, this white zig-zack-pattern texture is actually the correct Damage-texture (Damage_metal_a.tga) but with many times concadenated to itself to each other and rotated by 45 degrees as intended.
One small hole as Expl_mask01_a.tga in front and many copies of Damage_metal_a.tga as background but filles some great part or section of the ship-model.

So it maybe have something todo with the 3D-model and its Texture-coordinates.
I have never created a ship for SH3, so i'm not shure.

I extracted the 3D-model with S3D, loaded into Anim8or, saved without touching the model, and reload into *.dat. Now these ugly white zig-zack-pattern is gone.
But some Damage-textures are not shown or work as they should be.

Greetings.

Here also, today also another test failure.
I'm seriously thinking about scrap this unit

Best regards,
Vd

gap · 09-14-18, 09:54 AM

Ciao VonDos,

are Queen Mary's damage decals similarly messy?

VonDos · 09-14-18, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gap

Ciao VonDos,

are Queen Mary's damage decals similarly messy?

Hi mate!
Queen Mary damage decals appear to be ok:

(From a YouTube user)

Best regards,
Vd

gap · 09-14-18, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonDos

Hi mate!
Queen Mary damage decals appear to be ok:

Okay, are we 100% sure that the one in the video is your version of the Queen Mary?

If so, is the Queen Elizabeth that you are currently working on a clone (separate dat, sim, zon, val. etc. files) or a proxy copy (shared dat file) of the former?

P.S: whoever shot that video is a bad, bad boy

VonDos · 09-14-18, 01:04 PM

If he hasn't customized her, she's mine version for sure. I know the details :P
New Queen Elizabeth is totally cloned (unit folder and library folder) from QM, dat files aren't shared at all

Best regards,
Vd

\\P.S: whoever shot that video is a bad, bad boy \\ I agree

gap · 09-14-18, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonDos

If he hasn't customized her, she's mine version for sure. I know the details :P

I had spotted them myself, but I wanted to be sure

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonDos

New Queen Elizabeth is totally cloned (unit folder and library folder) from QM, dat files aren't shared at all

So, except for the obvious removal of one of the funnels, which other modifications did you make to the unit? Did you mess with materials?

I have seen messy damage decals before...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...83#post1652783
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...64#post1650064

...but that was on SHIV models imported in SH5. In that case, the solution was as follows:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...05#post1654105

Hope it helps. Gap off for now

Hebe Vollmaus · 09-15-18, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonDos

Here also, today also another test failure.
I'm seriously thinking about scrap this unit

Found this (post#29):
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom//sho...=227492&page=2

Change 0 to 4 in the 3d "Model-info" of the Hull.
Works much better then. And no need to scrap this beauty!

Greetings.

VonDos · 09-15-18, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gap

So, except for the obvious removal of one of the funnels, which other modifications did you make to the unit? Did you mess with materials?

There's a lot of 3d works in superstructures, and a different bow design.
Funnels are new. A lot of nodes had been replaced.
Best regards, and thanks
Vd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hebe Vollmaus

Found this (post#29):
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom//sho...=227492&page=2

Change 0 to 4 in the 3d "Model-info" of the Hull.
Works much better then. And no need to scrap this beauty!

Greetings.

Tested now, in sea\nppe_ hull parameter appear to be 4 by default.
I've changed this parameter in library's hull, but nothing appear to be changed. Can you please send me your reworked version via PM please?
Best regards,
Vd

08-21-18, 11:30 AM	#1
VonDos Admiral Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Italy Posts: 2,352 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 60	Help with WIP unit visual damage (?) Hi everyone! In those days i'm working on a new Queen Elizabeth model. I've finished 3d model for civilian version, i've imported all parts with 3ditor, created damage profile, and tested in SH3. I've found this strange bug: when a torpedo hit the hull, sometimes damage textures appears. Sometimes doesn't. Randomly. In both case ship slow down and take damage points \ sink. I've tryed to rebuild files, re-import models, clone files, no results. This is really frustranting. This is the Wip unit, nearby her parent unit (Queen Mary): Same at night: Is there anyone who can help me solve this situation? Best regards, Vd __________________ Those, others and WIP ships are avaiable in my SHIPYARD here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=136508 Last edited by VonDos; 08-21-18 at 11:40 AM.

08-28-18, 12:28 PM	#4
Anvar1061 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2012 Location: In the sea, on land and above Posts: 3,481 Downloads: 875 Uploads: 0	I had this. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=230936 Refer to the frog. Or look at how Unit *. val "ANZACMICKS DAMAGE IMMERSION" mod Last edited by Anvar1061; 08-29-18 at 10:48 AM.*

08-31-18, 04:39 PM	#6
VonDos Admiral Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Italy Posts: 2,352 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 60	Thanks everyone! File names in Val file are OK, files are present. @Anvar1061 your linked post refere to a splitted half unit with wrong textures; sadly, this is a different scenario. @Hebe Vollmaus this is really interesting. Yes, 'Damage_metal_a.tga' appear to be involved... I've read your linked post also, same problem, bingo, but where is the solution? Best regards, Vd __________________ Those, others and WIP ships are avaiable in my SHIPYARD here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=136508

09-14-18, 09:54 AM	#9
gap Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: CJ8937 Posts: 8,215 Downloads: 793 Uploads: 10	Ciao VonDos, are Queen Mary's damage decals similarly messy? __________________ _____________________ \|May the Force be with you!\| ...\/

09-14-18, 01:04 PM	#12
VonDos Admiral Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Italy Posts: 2,352 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 60	If he hasn't customized her, she's mine version for sure. I know the details :P New Queen Elizabeth is totally cloned (unit folder and library folder) from QM, dat files aren't shared at all Best regards, Vd \\P.S: whoever shot that video is a bad, bad boy \\ I agree __________________ Those, others and WIP ships are avaiable in my SHIPYARD here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=136508

08-23-18, 06:09 PM	#2
VonDos Admiral Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Italy Posts: 2,352 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 60	Update: after tons of test, i've found this interesting thing: whend torpedoes hit some unit parts, damage effects were just too small for be seen. I've rebuilded all, but now some damaged part are ok, some other appears like this: What parameter is used ingame to regulate damage effect dimension? Best regards, Vd PS After just close and reload test mission, i try to shell again the ship. This is the unexpeted result: I'm asking myself if there's something wrong in my sh3 installation. Same tests, different results. Could someone please test this unit for me, and just hit her with shells and torpedoes? Best regards, Vd __________________ Those, others and WIP ships are avaiable in my SHIPYARD here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=136508 Last edited by VonDos; 08-23-18 at 07:15 PM.