10 Dead in Santa Fe, Texas, School Shooting. Student shooter in custody.

[Commander Wallace]

There has been yet another school shooting, this time in Santa Fe, Texas. The shooter has been identified as Dimitrios Pagourtzis, 17. The shooter A teenage allegedly shouted “surprise” before opening fire on students and teachers at Santa Fe High School in Texas. There have been a confirmed 9 students killed in addition to one teacher bringing the total to ten so far. Another ten have been wounded.


Quote: On April 30, Pagourtzis posted a photo to Facebook of a t-shirt with the words, “Born to Kill” written across it. CW39 reports that witnesses saw the Santa Fe High School suspect wearing a “Born to Kill” t-shirt and “army boots.” Those witnesses added that the suspect is “quiet” and “kept to himself.”
According to his now-deleted Facebook page, Pagourtzis is in the 11th grade at Santa Fe High School. Also on that page, Pagourtzis promoted a YouTube channel under the pseudonym Comma Kazi. The channel features three uploaded videos of various rap songs. The last update came in 2013.



Initial reports indicated that the suspect was armed with a sawed-off shotgun, a pistol and was carrying pipe bombs.
Three gun incidents in eight days

Friday's shooting was the third time someone with a gun was reported on a US school in recent days.
On Wednesday, an Illinois school resource officer shot and wounded a former student who fired a weapon near a graduation rehearsal at Dixon High School, authorities said. The suspected gunman faces three charges of aggravated discharge of a firearm.


On May 11, a 14-year-old boy in In Palmdale, California, went to Highland High, his former school, and began shooting a semiautomatic rifle shortly before classes began, authorities said. He was taken into custody and is accused of attempted murder. One person was wounded.



https://usauknews.com/dimitrios-pago...-need-to-know/


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/u...-fe-texas.html




While the debates will start anew, I believe the time has come for schools and communities to institute safety measures in our schools to protect their students. What are you waiting for ?? You can't wait any longer.

[vienna]

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[Mr Quatro]

Really sad and so shocking for it to be 9 students and one teacher, plus so close to graduation. Praying is all I can do ... it's all any of us can do.

Now everyone will be telling Trump what to do about gun laws ... it's really all about nut jobs vs legal owners of fire arms.

[Jimbuna]

Tragic

[Platapus]

I am glad he was taken alive. We need to study him and try to find out why some people choose to take these horrible actions.

[THE_MASK]

Coming from a country with good gun laws i can say that restricting high powered guns works . Americans are in denial if they think restricting high powered guns from the general public wouldnt work .
The american government should print money and buy back the high powered guns at a fair price . Imagine all that money in the economy .
My two cents .

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by sober

Coming from a country with good gun laws i can say that restricting high powered guns works . Americans are in denial if they think restricting high powered guns from the general public wouldnt work .
The american government should print money and buy back the high powered guns at a fair price . Imagine all that money in the economy .
My two cents .

It would be nice if things worked like that, but they don't always do.

One can't take policy that may have worked in one country, one culture,, one people, one location, and under one set of circumstances and expect it to apply equally to a different country, culture, people, location and circumstances.

There needs to be a solution that works with the American country, culture, people, locations, and our set of circumstances. What that solution is, is currently unknown. I know what my opinions are of the solution but then so does everyone else have their opinions.

It will not be an easy problem to solve and that is, of course, assuming that the problem can be solved. With an apology to Samuel Johnson, not all problems have acceptable solutions.

[Sean C]

Originally Posted by Platapus

It would be nice if things worked like that, but they don't always do.

One can't take policy that may have worked in one country, one culture,, one people, one location, and under one set of circumstances and expect it to apply equally to a different country, culture, people, location and circumstances.

There needs to be a solution that works with the American country, culture, people, locations, and our set of circumstances. What that solution is, is currently unknown. I know what my opinions are of the solution but then so does everyone else have their opinions.

It will not be an easy problem to solve and that is, of course, assuming that the problem can be solved. With an apology to Samuel Johnson, not all problems have acceptable solutions.

I hear a lot of comparisons to this or that country. But I'm not sure if people are keeping in mind that the U.S. is the same size and has about half the population of all of Europe. We are also very likely the most diverse nation on the planet ... and unfortunately one of the most divided.


I too have my opinions about what the root causes of the problem are. But, you know what they say about opinions.


Regardless, the guns in the U.S. aren't going anywhere anytime soon. There are almost enough guns here for every man, woman and child to have one. And no matter what law is passed, many ordinary citizens will refuse to turn in their guns. After all, private gun ownership is one of the founding principles of this nation. And for good reason. I sometimes hear people say things like "Do you really think the American people could successfully fight against the most powerful military in the world if it came to that?" Well, I suppose those people weren't paying attention in history class.



Then there's the people who you wouldn't want owning guns in the first place ...

[Highbury]

Originally Posted by Nathaniel B.

After all, private gun ownership is one of the founding principles of this nation. And for good reason. I sometimes hear people say things like "Do you really think the American people could successfully fight against the most powerful military in the world if it came to that?" Well, I suppose those people weren't paying attention in history class.

I paid attention in history class, and I seem to recall that it was people with muskets and cannon fighting against people with muskets and cannon.

In the modern world it stacks up a bit more like this:



I am not making any stance on the US gun laws here, just refuting any pretext that people with semi-automatic weapons could actually rise up against the US Military today.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Highbury

I paid attention in history class

refuting any pretext that people with semi-automatic weapons could actually rise up against the US Military today.

You must have missed some more recent history

...and you have to ask yourself which part of the U.S. population do most of those volunteers come from? ...and would they fire on their own kind? Probably why so much ammo was bought for the organizations within the deep state under Obama. Not that the military isn't sort of a deep state unto itself. The rest of the civilized world who are mostly free because of U.S. involvement really can't understand. You've got someone to fall back on when tyrants strike. Now the "other" side in the USA has been trying to turn our kids into Europeans for the last four decades. They've been doing a pretty good job of it, but I think you'll have to wait til the boomers are all buried at least before the guns are confiscated. Losing the greatest generation has been truly terrible for the USA. It's like most of the common sense walked out the door never to return.

[August]

Originally Posted by sober

Coming from a country with good gun laws

What country would that be?

[THE_MASK]

Originally Posted by August

What country would that be?

Iran .

[Gerald]

For the past 18 months,the British photojournalist Spike Johnson has been touring Texan high schools, talking to the armed superintendents who work there and who believe passionately that civilians have a greater role to play in protecting American children. At least 10 states across the US now allow school staff access to firearms, kept in lock boxes or inside vehicles, in a scheme known as the school marshal programme. In Texas, though, more than 170 schools go a step further, allowing employees to carry weapons under a shirt or in an ankle holster.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rms-schools-us

Of course, young people should be protected, with armed guards who may have an impact on the students' ways of carrying weapons in their future.