Ex-LAPD policeman surrounded in cabin in Big Bear, CA

geetrue · 02-12-13, 07:01 PM

Live right now on CNN

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...n-calif-cabin/

Armistead · 02-12-13, 07:10 PM

Yea, been watching it. They're reporting now he killed another officer today and another in critical condition. Not sure if he has hostages, if not, they should be able to end this easily, not sure the hold up, SWAT should be there by now. Anyway, this should end it.

geetrue · 02-12-13, 07:22 PM

Tear gas being used right now ...

continuous firing and now smoke from cabin (black)

Tchocky · 02-12-13, 07:23 PM

One shot fired inside the cabin, it seems. Wonder if he killed himself.

Armistead · 02-12-13, 07:57 PM

Seems he decided to cremate himself.

Platapus · 02-12-13, 07:59 PM

He sounded like a real baddie. sad that he had to kill as many as he did.

geetrue · 02-12-13, 08:01 PM

Live rounds are going off in the fire ... no one wants to go in yet.

I wouldn't want to be a black man that looks like Dorner in LA ...

Photo of the day

mookiemookie · 02-12-13, 09:56 PM

some people were reporting on what happened according to the police scanner:

http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comment...rities/c8e1vkh

Cybermat47 · 02-12-13, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by geetrue

Photo of the day

Oh, that is the funniest thing I've seen all day!

Hottentot · 02-13-13, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

He sounded like a real baddie.

I read his manifesto the other day. Sounded like a real nutcase.

Hand picked the part that struck me as the most disgusting:

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To those children of the officers who are eradicated, your parent was not the individual you thought they were. As you get older,you will see the evidence that your parent was a tyrant who loss their ethos and instead followed the path of moral corruptness. They conspired to hide and suppress the truth of misconduct on others behalf’s. Your parent will have a name and plaque on the fallen officers memorial in D.C. But, In all honesty, your parents name will be a reminder to other officers to maintain the oath they swore and to stay along the shoreline that has guided them from childhood to that of a local, state, or federal law enforcement officer.

Jimbuna · 02-13-13, 07:52 AM

Well it's over now...that is the main thing I suppose.

Condolences to the families and loved ones of those who lost their lives.

Skybird · 02-13-13, 08:04 AM

Intended and partially executed multiple/mass murder is just that, and I do not wish to excuse it.

However, LAPD has won questionable fame worldwide for racism and racism-related misconduct by police forces. Dorner claimed that he got fired in I think 2007 due to filing in a wrong accusation regarding a colleague who should have mistreated a mentally retarded prisoner. Yesterday I fetched up that that case has been reopened by investigators. Leaves two questions: will such an examination against a police officer in a department like LA have a fair chance to go unhindered, and second: what if they find that Dorner's claim about what happened in 2007 - were correct? It would not excuse his killing spree. But it would explain some things, and open some unwelcomed perspectives.

There must be a reason why he has ticked out so dramatically - even if it would be a mental disease or underlaying psychosis.

Armistead · 02-13-13, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Intended and partially executed multiple/mass murder is just that, and I do not wish to excuse it.

However, LAPD has won questionable fame worldwide for racism and racism-related misconduct by police forces. Dorner claimed that he got fired in I think 2007 due to filing in a wrong accusation regarding a colleague who should have mistreated a mentally retarded prisoner. Yesterday I fetched up that that case has been reopened by investigators. Leaves two questions: will such an examination against a police officer in a department like LA have a fair chance to go unhindered, and second: what if they find that Dorner's claim about what happened in 2007 - were correct? It would not excuse his killing spree. But it would explain some things, and open some unwelcomed perspectives.

There must be a reason why he has ticked out so dramatically - even if it would be a mental disease or underlaying psychosis.

Well, you just tried to excuse it...

I don't know of a person that can go through life and not be wronged, I know I have. Should I go on a murder spree. Our culture is creating a deadly mindset always trying to excuse murderers.

Skybird · 02-13-13, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

Well, you just tried to excuse it...

I don't know of a person that can go through life and not be wronged, I know I have. Should I go on a murder spree. Our culture is creating a deadly mindset always trying to excuse murderers.

Thank you. Care to rationally explain that? And in case that already is asked too much, to elaborate the difference between "excuse" and "explanation"?

Armistead · 02-13-13, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Thank you. Care to rationally explain that? And in case that already is asked too much, to elaborate the difference between "excuse" and "explanation"?

You excused it with the "However". It's like saying "I'm sorry, BUT".

There is no explanation except he was angry and evil. Millions of people suffer wrong and have no need to murder innocent people. My guess is some of his complaint is right, but after he was fired, instead of picking up his life like normal people do, he fumed in anger for years. I bet he was killing people in his head years ago. He chose not to make proper change in his life. He could've filed a civil lawsuit, called the NAACP, fought racism, helped others. Instead he blamed others, giving up control of his life. Sure, we could find explanations for his anger, but not for his murdering innocent people.

I got wrongly fired once, because my Supervisor lied to protect his butt, was I mad, you bet, did I go on a shooting rampage killing innocent people....no.

02-12-13, 07:01 PM	#1
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Ex-LAPD policeman surrounded in cabin in Big Bear, CA Live right now on CNN http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...n-calif-cabin/ __________________

02-12-13, 07:10 PM	#2
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Yea, been watching it. They're reporting now he killed another officer today and another in critical condition. Not sure if he has hostages, if not, they should be able to end this easily, not sure the hold up, SWAT should be there by now. Anyway, this should end it. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

02-12-13, 07:22 PM	#3
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Tear gas being used right now ... continuous firing and now smoke from cabin (black) __________________

02-12-13, 07:23 PM	#4
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	One shot fired inside the cabin, it seems. Wonder if he killed himself. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

02-12-13, 07:57 PM	#5
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Seems he decided to cremate himself. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	He sounded like a real baddie. sad that he had to kill as many as he did. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Live rounds are going off in the fire ... no one wants to go in yet. I wouldn't want to be a black man that looks like Dorner in LA ... Photo of the day __________________

02-12-13, 09:56 PM	#8
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	some people were reporting on what happened according to the police scanner: http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comment...rities/c8e1vkh __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

02-13-13, 07:52 AM	#11
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,461 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Well it's over now...that is the main thing I suppose. Condolences to the families and loved ones of those who lost their lives. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

02-13-13, 08:04 AM	#12
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Intended and partially executed multiple/mass murder is just that, and I do not wish to excuse it. However, LAPD has won questionable fame worldwide for racism and racism-related misconduct by police forces. Dorner claimed that he got fired in I think 2007 due to filing in a wrong accusation regarding a colleague who should have mistreated a mentally retarded prisoner. Yesterday I fetched up that that case has been reopened by investigators. Leaves two questions: will such an examination against a police officer in a department like LA have a fair chance to go unhindered, and second: what if they find that Dorner's claim about what happened in 2007 - were correct? It would not excuse his killing spree. But it would explain some things, and open some unwelcomed perspectives. There must be a reason why he has ticked out so dramatically - even if it would be a mental disease or underlaying psychosis. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.