Gun Control issues

SteamWake · 09-02-10, 10:30 AM

In yet another policy about face...

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The Obama administration approved the sale of the American-made rifles last year. But it reversed course and banned the sale in March – a decision that went largely unnoticed at the time but that is now sparking opposition from gun rights advocates.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...est=latestnews

Oh and if you cant control the guns try to control the ammo

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In a swift and unexpected decision, the epa-surrenders-to-nra-on-gun-control-issue-epa-rejects-attempt-to-regulate-lead-in-bullets-after-nra-protests Environmental Agency today rejected a petition from environmental groups to ban the use of lead in bullets and shotgun shells, claiming it doesn't have jurisdiction to weigh on the controversial Second Amendment issue. The decision came just hours after the Drudge Report posted stories from Washington Whispers and the Weekly Standard about how gun groups were fighting the lead bullet ban.

http://politics.usnews.com/news/wash...-protests.html

Sorry about the formatting.

nikimcbee · 09-02-10, 11:31 AM

Funny, I just got a NRA application in the mail...

August · 09-02-10, 11:35 AM

The Dems have been courting gun owners for the past couple of years and now, just in time for the election, they are shooting themselves in the foot.

It's like they actually want to loose control of the government.

Konovalov · 09-02-10, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by August

The Dems have been courting gun owners for the past couple of years and now, just in time for the election, they are shooting themselves in the foot.

Perhaps they should take the guns and ammo away from only themselves and hence they won't be ale to shoot themselves in the foot.

I thought President Obama was going to really focus now on the US economy?

nikimcbee · 09-02-10, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Konovalov

I thought President Obama was no going to really focus now on the US economy?

He has a busy golf schedule though, then he has to take a vacation from the taxing golf schedule to relax from the stress of golf. He might drop by the white house to have his golf pants cleaned.

It depends on what the telepromter tells him to do.

Konovalov · 09-02-10, 12:29 PM

Does anyone know what his handicap is?

09-02-10, 12:50 PM

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Does anyone know what his handicap is?

His mouth.

ETR3(SS) · 09-02-10, 01:13 PM

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"Guns that can take high-capacity magazines are a threat to public safety," said Dennis Henigan of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "Even though they are old, these guns could deliver a great amount of firepower. So I think the Obama administration's concerns are well-taken."

M1 Garand facts:
Magazine capacity: 8 rounds en bloc internal
Caliber: .30-06
Action: Semi-Automatic

M1 Carbine facts:
Magazine capacity: 30 round detachable magazine(illegal in CA,MA,MD,NY, AND NY)
Caliber: .30 carbine
Action: Semi-Automatic

Now for some facts about both, like where you can obtain these rifles in the US already...legally...

Your local gun store
CMP http://www.thecmp.org/
Fulton Armory http://www.fulton-armory.com/
Auto-Ordnance http://www.auto-ordnance.com/PA-1AO_m1.html

...and the list goes on. These rifles are already in the country and owned legally by many people. Shame on the entire federal government for playing these games and giving people who want answers the run around.

Ducimus · 09-02-10, 01:26 PM

Yeah, I was about to say... an M1 rilfle is NOT a "high capacity" magazine. 8 shot internal. Like a freaking home defense shotgun.

Frankly im slightly irked that they'd want to destroy these historical arms.

TLAM Strike · 09-02-10, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Now for some facts about both, like where you can obtain these rifles in the US already...legally...

Your local gun store
CMP http://www.thecmp.org/
Fulton Armory http://www.fulton-armory.com/
Auto-Ordnance http://www.auto-ordnance.com/PA-1AO_m1.html

...and the list goes on. These rifles are already in the country and owned legally by many people. Shame on the entire federal government for playing these games and giving people who want answers the run around.

Thanks for the links, I was thinking about buying a inexpensive WWII era military type rifle for target shooting and recreation. But that will have to wait a couple of years since I just got accepted to college and I can't keep a firearm in the dorms.

FIREWALL · 09-02-10, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

His mouth.

:r otfl2:

ETR3(SS) · 09-02-10, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Thanks for the links, I was thinking about buying a inexpensive WWII era military type rifle for target shooting and recreation. But that will have to wait a couple of years since I just got accepted to college and I can't keep a firearm in the dorms.

No problem.

One thing you should consider though is what you want to do with the gun. If you want to take it out to the range, one of the new manufactures would be in order.

Back on topic.

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But because the guns were given to South Korea by the U.S. government, they fall under a special category that requires permission from the State Department before any sale.

Now I'm assuming (cause that's all we can do at this point while everybody plays the deferment game) that these weapons are the sole property of South Korea. If the State Department has a problem with that, then let the CMP acquire these weapons and distribute accordingly.

bookworm_020 · 09-02-10, 07:42 PM

Lead pellets was removed from shotgun shell rounds here in Australia a few years back. There wasn't much of a fuss.

mookiemookie · 09-02-10, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bookworm_020

Lead pellets was removed from shotgun shell rounds here in Australia a few years back. There wasn't much of a fuss.

Because no one was looking to use this as some weired "omg he's dun stealin' our guns!" thing.

Ducimus · 09-02-10, 08:27 PM

We do have steel shot you know. Primarly for environmental reasons i think. Not sure if its mandantory for things like duck hunting or not.

As gun control goes, it's always been a slippery slope IMO. Some items, I agree, have no business in the hands of a civilian. Say for example, a 50 caliber sniper rifle, or an M-16 or AK varient. I say that with GREAT hesitation, because M-16's and the like ARE fun to target shoot with, and I'd hate to advocate for anything that would deny me the opportunity to enjoy some fun at the range with said firearms. Infact, once in awhile, i find myself feeling nostalgic, wishing I could handle one again. But I degress, i wouldn't want said firearms in the hands of Gang bangers (who manage to get them anway)

But one has to draw a line. Banning things like M1 Garands, in any way shape or form is going over that line. Way over that line. That's just idiocy. M1 Carbines, im not so sure about. I think that might be going a little over the line too. But If we were talking fully automatic Thompsons, or BAR's, id be singing a different tune as gun control goes.

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bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Lead pellets was removed from shotgun shell rounds here in Australia a few years back. There wasn't much of a fuss. __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Yeah, I was about to say... an M1 rilfle is NOT a "high capacity" magazine. 8 shot internal. Like a freaking home defense shotgun. Frankly im slightly irked that they'd want to destroy these historical arms.

09-02-10, 08:27 PM	#15
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	We do have steel shot you know. Primarly for environmental reasons i think. Not sure if its mandantory for things like duck hunting or not. As gun control goes, it's always been a slippery slope IMO. Some items, I agree, have no business in the hands of a civilian. Say for example, a 50 caliber sniper rifle, or an M-16 or AK varient. I say that with GREAT hesitation, because M-16's and the like ARE fun to target shoot with, and I'd hate to advocate for anything that would deny me the opportunity to enjoy some fun at the range with said firearms. Infact, once in awhile, i find myself feeling nostalgic, wishing I could handle one again. But I degress, i wouldn't want said firearms in the hands of Gang bangers (who manage to get them anway) But one has to draw a line. Banning things like M1 Garands, in any way shape or form is going over that line. Way over that line. That's just idiocy. M1 Carbines, im not so sure about. I think that might be going a little over the line too. But If we were talking fully automatic Thompsons, or BAR's, id be singing a different tune as gun control goes.