DD’s with Dimensional Pockets

Stoli · 05-17-07, 09:34 AM

Do the DD’s in GWX have some sort of magic dimensional pocket that they pull DC’s from? I’ve had an escort dropping ash cans on me for over three hours. I stopped counting them at around 120.

Side-Note: 115m down (2m off the bottom) I'm using the wiggle waggle, waggle wiggle method but still can't shake this mother. I'm pretty sure he is using the extrenal cam on me.

Stoli
U-1
AM53 - Following Large Convoy

SleightOfHand · 05-17-07, 09:37 AM

I'm pretty sure that someone counted the depth charges in a config file and came up with ~220 or so for your average destroyer.

danlisa · 05-17-07, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Stoli

Side-Note: 115m down (2m off the bottom) I'm using the wiggle waggle, waggle wiggle method but still can't shake this mother. I'm pretty sure he is using the extrenal cam on me.

The wiggle waggle method is for throwing off the escorts before they find you

& at 115m, I'm affraid that you are not below the escorts sensor range. He's always going to find you unless you can go deeper or loose him @ 1kt + 5-10 degrees rudder.

Be patient because @ 1kt, you might think they still have you but infact you're slipping away. If they're pinging, they're looking.

Brag · 05-17-07, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by danlisa

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Originally Posted by Stoli

Side-Note: 115m down (2m off the bottom) I'm using the wiggle waggle, waggle wiggle method but still can't shake this mother. I'm pretty sure he is using the extrenal cam on me.

The wiggle waggle method is for throwing off the escorts before they find you

& at 115m, I'm affraid that you are not below the escorts sensor range. He's always going to find you unless you can go deeper or loose him @ 1kt + 5-10 degrees rudder.

Be patient because @ 1kt, you might think they still have you but infact you're slipping away. If they're pinging, they're looking.

Absolutely right, the wiggle-waggle confuses the DDs initial search and sends them off to depth charge elswhere.

robj250 · 05-17-07, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stoli

Do the DD’s in GWX have some sort of magic dimensional pocket that they pull DC’s from? I’ve had an escort dropping ash cans on me for over three hours. I stopped counting them at around 120.

Side-Note: 115m down (2m off the bottom) I'm using the wiggle waggle, waggle wiggle method but still can't shake this mother. I'm pretty sure he is using the extrenal cam on me.

Stoli
U-1
AM53 - Following Large Convoy

Here is some information regarding depth charged.

http://www.enemybeneath.com/dc/depthcharge.htm

So, the 120 that you counted would not be far off in the number of depth charges they carried.

Rob

robj250 · 05-17-07, 10:42 AM

One thing that is NOT modelled in SH3 or GWX is:

U-boats were was able to detect engine and cavitation noises of pursuer's propellers and the splashing of their depth charges.

Sailor Steve · 05-17-07, 11:03 AM

Conway's All The World's Fighting Ships 1922-1945 says that early British escorts might have as few as 40 depth charges, but later destroyers were carrying up to 170.

dcb · 05-17-07, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by robj250

One thing that is NOT modelled in SH3 or GWX is:

U-boats were was able to detect engine and cavitation noises of pursuer's propellers and the splashing of their depth charges.

I think splashes are in SH3, and also GWX, as this looks like a hardcoded behavior. I often get from the SO the message "Depth charges in the water" and seconds after, I hear the explosions. About cavitation... I don't know, never heard.

Jimbuna · 05-17-07, 12:08 PM

Stick to one knot and after he's passed over you, try to turn in the opposite direction he does therefore making as much distance as possible betwwen you both

Eightbit · 05-17-07, 02:09 PM

I've got my own issue with a dd here. Frustrated me so much I had to cheat to see what he was doing. it's january 1940 and from the external cam he picks me up on asdic from 90 degrees off his mid-section. Only 70m depth here and he has given up depth charging me. Just constantly doing attack runs. I've tried everything to lose him but nothing works. I'm running flank speed now on an 11hour course to deeper water just so i can dive out of his range hopefully. Pretty sad I hope this isn't what every engagement will be like.

bigboywooly · 05-17-07, 02:14 PM

Well you wont lose him at flank speed
The AI will still do DC runs even when they are out - stock behaviour

Cut your speed to 2kts and turn 90 degrees as the boat is slowing
Make sure you are at silent running
Go as deep as you can and keep heading for deeper water

You should be able to lose him

The trouble with running flank is he can follow you and although he is out of DC the other destroyers he calls up wont be

Eightbit · 05-17-07, 02:21 PM

Yeah I got fed up with the running quiet after the first 3 hours. Its not his passive I'm having trouble with. Its no matter what way I turn or when I turn he comes back in and picks me up with his asdic again. I'm using gwx by the way. I just don't it being possible to lose him for 30minutes. I can lose him for maybe 4 or 5 until he finishes his turn.

Sailor Steve · 05-17-07, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dcb

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Originally Posted by robj250

One thing that is NOT modelled in SH3 or GWX is:

U-boats were was able to detect engine and cavitation noises of pursuer's propellers and the splashing of their depth charges.

I think splashes are in SH3, and also GWX, as this looks like a hardcoded behavior. I often get from the SO the message "Depth charges in the water" and seconds after, I hear the explosions. About cavitation... I don't know, never heard.

I don't know which sound GWX uses for the "Depth charges!" file. When I did my version of the 'Das Boot Sound Mod' I used their "Wasserbomben!" file, but I also did and alternate file for when I got tired of that one. I dumped the report, but made the spashes louder, so that's all I hear. It's pretty cool.

Brag · 05-18-07, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Eightbit

Yeah I got fed up with the running quiet after the first 3 hours. Its not his passive I'm having trouble with. Its no matter what way I turn or when I turn he comes back in and picks me up with his asdic again. I'm using gwx by the way. I just don't it being possible to lose him for 30minutes. I can lose him for maybe 4 or 5 until he finishes his turn.

Reduce speed to one knot
Make sure you are running silent (Z key) and the little silent running screen is on
place rudder to 5 degrees port or starboard. After ten minutes reverse rudder position.

This will confuse him.

If he has you locked in his asdic and you have been making noise. Go flank with rudder at 5 degrees off center for 1 minute. Order one knot and turn twenty degrees in opposite direction while you still have speed.

Good luck

Stoli · 05-18-07, 05:19 PM

DD's in GWX have driven me to NEVER attack in shallow water, it's just not worth the pounding you get. Deep Sea's here I come.

05-17-07, 09:34 AM	#1
Stoli A-ganger Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 74 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	DD’s with Dimensional Pockets Do the DD’s in GWX have some sort of magic dimensional pocket that they pull DC’s from? I’ve had an escort dropping ash cans on me for over three hours. I stopped counting them at around 120. Side-Note: 115m down (2m off the bottom) I'm using the wiggle waggle, waggle wiggle method but still can't shake this mother. I'm pretty sure he is using the extrenal cam on me. Stoli U-1 AM53 - Following Large Convoy

05-17-07, 10:42 AM	#6
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	GWX DD and U-boats One thing that is NOT modelled in SH3 or GWX is: U-boats were was able to detect engine and cavitation noises of pursuer's propellers and the splashing of their depth charges.

05-17-07, 11:03 AM	#7
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Conway's All The World's Fighting Ships 1922-1945 says that early British escorts might have as few as 40 depth charges, but later destroyers were carrying up to 170. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

05-17-07, 12:08 PM	#9
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Stick to one knot and after he's passed over you, try to turn in the opposite direction he does therefore making as much distance as possible betwwen you both __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-17-07, 02:14 PM	#11
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Well you wont lose him at flank speed The AI will still do DC runs even when they are out - stock behaviour Cut your speed to 2kts and turn 90 degrees as the boat is slowing Make sure you are at silent running Go as deep as you can and keep heading for deeper water You should be able to lose him The trouble with running flank is he can follow you and although he is out of DC the other destroyers he calls up wont be __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

05-17-07, 09:37 AM	#2
SleightOfHand Sailor man Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 44 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I'm pretty sure that someone counted the depth charges in a config file and came up with ~220 or so for your average destroyer.

05-17-07, 02:09 PM	#10
Eightbit Seaman Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 35 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	I've got my own issue with a dd here. Frustrated me so much I had to cheat to see what he was doing. it's january 1940 and from the external cam he picks me up on asdic from 90 degrees off his mid-section. Only 70m depth here and he has given up depth charging me. Just constantly doing attack runs. I've tried everything to lose him but nothing works. I'm running flank speed now on an 11hour course to deeper water just so i can dive out of his range hopefully. Pretty sad I hope this isn't what every engagement will be like.

05-17-07, 02:21 PM	#12
Eightbit Seaman Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 35 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Yeah I got fed up with the running quiet after the first 3 hours. Its not his passive I'm having trouble with. Its no matter what way I turn or when I turn he comes back in and picks me up with his asdic again. I'm using gwx by the way. I just don't it being possible to lose him for 30minutes. I can lose him for maybe 4 or 5 until he finishes his turn.

05-18-07, 05:19 PM	#15
Stoli A-ganger Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 74 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	DD's in GWX have driven me to NEVER attack in shallow water, it's just not worth the pounding you get. Deep Sea's here I come.