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armin · 03-05-10, 03:41 AM

So i wondered why with new computer i have problems to play SH5.

I disabled the graphic nothink changed considering brand new card i was suprised.

I optimalized and overclocked computer with slight imrpovement. So gotcha i told myself its not the graphic. I started to disable services and stuff i dont realy need it worked for a while.....

So then i looked on one of my performance monitors and i was striked by lightning of revelation.

CPU was 20% RAM 99%

The more RAM i freed the more it was consumed....

I remembered same issue since SH3 and packs with naval traffic. I double checked SH5 and nearly fainted.

SH5 creates several convoys all over the place with 12-15 ships in one convoy. There were fighter bomber squads over some major cities. Every port has active traffic its GWX gone insane. In Kiel i counted around 30-50 active objects if not more around at some peeks. This objects are in full motion. Some are ramming structures blowing up and despawning and instantly new ones are created.

With current spawn and size ratio the game is not playable after several hours couse it takes most of the freed resourcers to spawn and despawn new objects all over the combat scenario map.

Basicaly SH5 tries to emulate SH3 mod packs in very poor way. SH3 mods took long to load but they were stable. SH5 instead of long loading time takes RAM and fully uses it for its purposes.

Im not a modder but please osmeone do somethink about it

CCIP · 03-05-10, 03:46 AM

I don't know, aside from slow TC near said convoys and ports, I haven't had much problems with performance. The frame rate is fine and everything runs well as long as I stay below 256x when I'm at port or near a convoy.

That said... some of it could use a cleanup. There are a few cool things in regard to objects and ships scattered about, but in many instances there's a bit too much and they add little to the game... and worse, in ports the moving ships' collision avoidance is definitely so-so.

I would welcome cutting it down a little but at least for me, it's not been a real performance problem.

Pintea · 03-05-10, 03:54 AM

Are you having performance problems ?
Memory consumption is not the issue, probably slow CPU (or not enough cores

).

armin · 03-05-10, 03:59 AM

If oyu would read above my cpu has 80% nothink to do....

the entire problem lies in insane ammount of traffic that is created and collission that take place in harbors in entire combat map. Anyway who needs fighter bomber squadrons over berlin in submarine simulator :P

Not mentioning crazy ammount of created ships. That ammount of ships was not even ever build. Its not like some ship is going trough sea and encounters 15 ships in convoy each second day.

Dowly · 03-05-10, 04:03 AM

My game runs fine apart from the shadows.

Grey_Raven75 · 03-05-10, 04:16 AM

I'm not running an especially up-to-date system and I haven't found any situation that's caused significant slowdown (ie, convoys, inside the sub, bad weather, raging fires on damaged ships). Loading times also don't seem much longer than SH3+GWX or SH4 with one of the supermods. I've got everything maxed out graphics wise except for AA. It's on at the first setting, so I could do more experimentation with that to see how it affects performance.

System Specs:

Windows Vista Home Baisc SP2
Pentium D 3.2 GHz
2 gigs RAM
GeForce 8800GT 512MB
DX11

armin · 03-05-10, 04:29 AM

As i said its not graphical issue i cna have effects disabled or enabled it has no impact. Just the AI goes skynet and does stupid stuff and that creates lag issues after some time.

Like previously mentioned collisions when entire convoy rams a beach. Or computer spawns several mega convoys in different parts i cant even reach.

You can see in campaigns the proper files and view them in mission editor i just dont know what files are proper to change and what values.

EDIT: Just an hour ago a convoy spawned infront of me and all 11 ships would miss me just one decided to set collision course (was a polish freighter). I missed him by 10 meters.

McHibbins · 03-05-10, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

My game runs fine apart from the shadows.

Dito, shadows off and everything is fine

Sonarman · 03-05-10, 04:40 AM

I am sure I have read a while back that since the release of SH4 all objects are loaded dynamically with player proximity ie as needed for visuals. This was not the case in SH3 where everything was loaded at once,

Kromus · 03-05-10, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grey_Raven75

GeForce 8800GT 512MB
DX11

Erm... You mean DX 10

B_O_L_T · 03-05-10, 06:54 AM

Running windows xp by any chance? that can mess up thread allocation on multi core machines consuming memory needlessly. I am running Win 7 with 4 gig of memory and still have plenty free while the game is running, so the game isn't trying to allocate all free memory, something else is at fault causing your problems.

03-05-10, 03:41 AM	#1
armin Watch Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 17 Downloads: 252 Uploads: 0	Resources issue found So i wondered why with new computer i have problems to play SH5. I disabled the graphic nothink changed considering brand new card i was suprised. I optimalized and overclocked computer with slight imrpovement. So gotcha i told myself its not the graphic. I started to disable services and stuff i dont realy need it worked for a while..... So then i looked on one of my performance monitors and i was striked by lightning of revelation. CPU was 20% RAM 99% The more RAM i freed the more it was consumed.... I remembered same issue since SH3 and packs with naval traffic. I double checked SH5 and nearly fainted. SH5 creates several convoys all over the place with 12-15 ships in one convoy. There were fighter bomber squads over some major cities. Every port has active traffic its GWX gone insane. In Kiel i counted around 30-50 active objects if not more around at some peeks. This objects are in full motion. Some are ramming structures blowing up and despawning and instantly new ones are created. With current spawn and size ratio the game is not playable after several hours couse it takes most of the freed resourcers to spawn and despawn new objects all over the combat scenario map. Basicaly SH5 tries to emulate SH3 mod packs in very poor way. SH3 mods took long to load but they were stable. SH5 instead of long loading time takes RAM and fully uses it for its purposes. Im not a modder but please osmeone do somethink about it

03-05-10, 03:46 AM	#2
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I don't know, aside from slow TC near said convoys and ports, I haven't had much problems with performance. The frame rate is fine and everything runs well as long as I stay below 256x when I'm at port or near a convoy. That said... some of it could use a cleanup. There are a few cool things in regard to objects and ships scattered about, but in many instances there's a bit too much and they add little to the game... and worse, in ports the moving ships' collision avoidance is definitely so-so. I would welcome cutting it down a little but at least for me, it's not been a real performance problem. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-05-10, 04:16 AM	#6
Grey_Raven75 Mate Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 60 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	I'm not running an especially up-to-date system and I haven't found any situation that's caused significant slowdown (ie, convoys, inside the sub, bad weather, raging fires on damaged ships). Loading times also don't seem much longer than SH3+GWX or SH4 with one of the supermods. I've got everything maxed out graphics wise except for AA. It's on at the first setting, so I could do more experimentation with that to see how it affects performance. System Specs: Windows Vista Home Baisc SP2 Pentium D 3.2 GHz 2 gigs RAM GeForce 8800GT 512MB DX11 __________________ "If you don't know history, you don't know anything. You are a leaf that doesn't know it is part of a tree." --Edward Johnston

03-05-10, 04:40 AM	#9
Sonarman The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ayr,Scotland,UK Posts: 1,392 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	I am sure I have read a while back that since the release of SH4 all objects are loaded dynamically with player proximity ie as needed for visuals. This was not the case in SH3 where everything was loaded at once, __________________ "The action is simulated...the excitement is real!" Microprose Simulation Software.

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03-05-10, 03:54 AM	#3
Pintea Sparky Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 152 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Are you having performance problems ? Memory consumption is not the issue, probably slow CPU (or not enough cores ).

03-05-10, 03:59 AM	#4
armin Watch Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 17 Downloads: 252 Uploads: 0	If oyu would read above my cpu has 80% nothink to do.... the entire problem lies in insane ammount of traffic that is created and collission that take place in harbors in entire combat map. Anyway who needs fighter bomber squadrons over berlin in submarine simulator :P Not mentioning crazy ammount of created ships. That ammount of ships was not even ever build. Its not like some ship is going trough sea and encounters 15 ships in convoy each second day.

03-05-10, 04:03 AM	#5
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	My game runs fine apart from the shadows.

03-05-10, 04:29 AM	#7
armin Watch Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 17 Downloads: 252 Uploads: 0	As i said its not graphical issue i cna have effects disabled or enabled it has no impact. Just the AI goes skynet and does stupid stuff and that creates lag issues after some time. Like previously mentioned collisions when entire convoy rams a beach. Or computer spawns several mega convoys in different parts i cant even reach. You can see in campaigns the proper files and view them in mission editor i just dont know what files are proper to change and what values. EDIT: Just an hour ago a convoy spawned infront of me and all 11 ships would miss me just one decided to set collision course (was a polish freighter). I missed him by 10 meters.

03-05-10, 06:54 AM	#11
B_O_L_T Seaman Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 40 Downloads: 182 Uploads: 0	Running windows xp by any chance? that can mess up thread allocation on multi core machines consuming memory needlessly. I am running Win 7 with 4 gig of memory and still have plenty free while the game is running, so the game isn't trying to allocate all free memory, something else is at fault causing your problems.