Muslims on India train assaulted 'because they ate beef'

Gerald · 06-24-17, 01:58 PM

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A man arrested in India for being part of a mob that attacked a group of four Muslim teenagers on a train has said on TV that he was goaded into it by others because Muslims ate beef.
The man, identified only as Ramesh, said he was drunk at the time of the attack in Haryana state on Friday.
One of the boys, 16-year-old Junaid Khan, was killed in the assault carried out by a mob of about 20 men.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-40393331

Much can be said about this I suppose.

Gargamel · 06-24-17, 04:18 PM

The buffets at Hindu/Muslim weddings must be quite boring. Do I want fish or fish?

ikalugin · 06-25-17, 05:55 AM

Chicken?

Platapus · 06-25-17, 06:06 AM

There is intolerance pretty much every where.

A common human failing is to consider what you believe to be important to other people who may not share your opinion.

Jimbuna · 06-25-17, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

There is intolerance pretty much every where.

A common human failing is to consider what you believe to be important to other people who may not share your opinion.

True that

Skybird · 06-25-17, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin

Chicken?

And roasted widow.

Skybird · 06-25-17, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

There is intolerance pretty much every where.

A common human failing is to consider what you believe to be important to other people who may not share your opinion.

Rule of thumb: consider the land/place/country you are in, and its predominant population. Just reasonable.

Cybermat47 · 06-25-17, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Rule of thumb: consider the land/place/country you are in, and its predominant population. Just reasonable.

So non-Christian people in predominantly Christian countries can't express their beliefs, because if they do they'll offend everyone else, and rightfully get killed for doing so?

Rockstar · 06-25-17, 07:42 AM

When in Rome do as the Romans. If you're <insert whatever> and start tearing down that which is held sacred to others because your beliefs say its OK. You had best be ready to suffer the consequences. There's a reason Pakistan exists, go eat beef there.

Both parties involved in the above tragic incident are complete and utter idiots. But if it were me I would not eat beef out of respect for their beliefs and culture. How hard can it be? Obviously some just dont get it.

Cybermat47 · 06-25-17, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

When in Rome do as the Romans. If you're <insert whatever> and start tearing down that which is held sacred to others because your beliefs say it its OK. You had best be ready to suffer the consequences. There's a reason Pakistan exists go eat beef there.

Both parties to the above tragic incident are complete and utter idiots.

Well, I live in a predominantly Christian country, but I still eat meat on Friday. But no-one's tried to kill me for that, because no-one around me is insane enough to kill me for my beliefs.

Besides, if someone's so delicate that they fly into a murderous rage (quite literally when it comes to Islamists) when someone doesn't share their beliefs, then I want to keep offending them.

ikalugin · 06-25-17, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

So non-Christian people in predominantly Christian countries can't express their beliefs, because if they do they'll offend everyone else, and rightfully get killed for doing so?

My opinion is that they can, but if they violate the law while doing so (ie by beheading people) they must by punished accordingly.

This includes a large number of other crimes, such as incitement of violence and others.

Hence I would advise a person not to exercise his beliefs if his actions are against the law.

u crank · 06-25-17, 08:19 AM

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Well, I live in a predominantly Christian country, but I still eat meat on Friday. But no-one's tried to kill me for that, because no-one around me is insane enough to kill me for my beliefs.

This has very little to do with this...

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Rule of thumb: consider the land/place/country you are in, and its predominant population. Just reasonable.

..and everything to do with the rule of law in a country. Western nations tend to be far more tolerant and although religious prejudice exists it is not acted upon like it is in less tolerant states. India and Pakistan have a long and sad history of this and it is not likely to end anytime soon.

ikalugin · 06-25-17, 08:21 AM

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..and everything to do with the rule of law in a country. Western nations tend to be far more tolerant and although religious prejudice exists it is not acted upon like it is in less tolerant states. India and Pakistan have a long and sad history of this and it is not likely to end anytime soon.

I think it is about how western states are (with a single exception) secular and understand the idea of the rule of law, even though various elements within those states (ie leftists covering for illegal migrants out of moral/ideological reasons) are trying to undermine it.

Cybermat47 · 06-25-17, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin

My opinion is that they can, but if they violate the law while doing so (ie by beheading people) they must by punished accordingly.

This includes a large number of other crimes, such as incitement of violence and others.

Hence I would advise a person not to exercise his beliefs if his actions are against the law.

Well, of course, they have to express their beliefs in a way that does not harm or bring harm to anyone.

ikalugin · 06-25-17, 08:23 AM

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Well, of course, they have to express their beliefs in a way that does not harm or bring harm to anyone.

Unfortunately it appears that this is not the case with a significant number of muslims which use accusations of islamophobia to cover their activities.

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	There is intolerance pretty much every where. A common human failing is to consider what you believe to be important to other people who may not share your opinion. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	When in Rome do as the Romans. If you're <insert whatever> and start tearing down that which is held sacred to others because your beliefs say its OK. You had best be ready to suffer the consequences. There's a reason Pakistan exists, go eat beef there. Both parties involved in the above tragic incident are complete and utter idiots. But if it were me I would not eat beef out of respect for their beliefs and culture. How hard can it be? Obviously some just dont get it. Last edited by Rockstar; 06-25-17 at 10:00 AM.