Russian sub in Gulf of Mexico goes undected until it leaves!!

eddie · 08-16-12, 07:43 PM

Someone in the US Navy is going to get nailed for this!!

http://www.naval-technology.com/news...ico-undetected

Molon Labe · 08-16-12, 07:57 PM

In the current geo-political climate, does the USN find it necessary to trail every Russian attack sub out of port? Because that's the only way I see this as being a potential embarrassment at all. And my guess is that we don't feel the need to track them all the time.

So the Russians had a patrol in the Gulf. We patrol in the Barrents all the time.

Gargamel · 08-16-12, 09:53 PM

And if you read the rebuttal story on the front page, you'll see why it seemingly is not a big issue.

From what I gathered, it was an alarmist story from a questionable news source.

eddie · 08-16-12, 09:54 PM

I don't expect them to track every Russian boat all the time, but when it sits on your doorstep for a month undetected, I wouldn't think it would be too much to ask the Defense Dept to do a better job of watching them, especially that close to home.

Hadn't seen the Forbes article until now, sorry for bringing it up.

Catfish · 08-17-12, 02:27 AM

A russian sub in international waters ! Who would have thunk !

Didn't the russian navy even partake in NATO exercises ? Should we fire NATO's high brass ?

Apart from that we all know the US does that and worse since the cold war, from photographing russian subs in their home bases to following experimental russian subs photographing them while sailing rings around them.
Sure, after the Volvo-Toshiba thingie the Russians are now able to build better/stealthier subs, but this article is so blown out of proportion lol

XabbaRus · 08-17-12, 03:12 AM

I think they should just sail into New York harbour, pop the hatch and say "privet" if just for laughs.

08-17-12, 04:37 AM

I can't help but believe this was a behind the scenes agreed test of some kind. From what I remember the American Navy could not detect the Gotland Submarine either.

Oberon · 08-17-12, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

I think they should just sail into New York harbour, pop the hatch and say "privet" if just for laughs.

That would just be hilarious.

joea · 08-17-12, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

I think they should just sail into New York harbour, pop the hatch and say "privet" if just for laughs.

Hello!*

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...red-faced.html

Quote:

American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz23oGKDHdM

*Or is that "herro"??

I'll get my coat.

nikimcbee · 08-22-12, 02:12 PM

On a side note, has Russia ever messed around with our SOSUS lines?

nikimcbee · 08-22-12, 02:15 PM

And in other news, Russian submarine sails to Gulf of Mexico without catching on fire or having the reactor meltdown.

nikimcbee · 08-22-12, 02:20 PM

It would be really embarrassing if it was one of these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_class_submarine

Which one is noiser: USS Nautilus or a Lira Class?

Catfish · 08-22-12, 04:27 PM

From the "news" it was a 971 'Bars' class sub, appx. as silent as an LA class sub or so they say.

Regarding which is noisier, the 571 or a 705 'Lira' - at which speed ?

The Alfa with its 45 knots would just outrun a contemporary Nautilus torpedo - wasn't that the reason why the Mk48 was developed (?)

Anyway russian subs meanwhile take part in NATO maneuvers, and lie cheek to cheek to Nato boats in internationsl harbours.
Also american subs have filmed russian prototypes near their harbours violating russian territorial limits for decades, so what's the big deal now ?
To be honest I would be more afraid of the Mafia than of the Russians lol

Greetings,
Catfish

August · 08-22-12, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

On a side note, has Russia ever messed around with our SOSUS lines?

Not that i've ever heard, but I wonder if they did whether either side would admit it publicly.

nikimcbee · 08-22-12, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

Not that i've ever heard, but I wonder if they did whether either side would admit it publicly.

Ever since the Walker scandal, I wonder if they messed with it?

08-16-12, 07:43 PM	#1
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Russian sub in Gulf of Mexico goes undected until it leaves!! Someone in the US Navy is going to get nailed for this!! http://www.naval-technology.com/news...ico-undetected __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

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Molon Labe Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Along the Watchtower Posts: 3,810 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 5	In the current geo-political climate, does the USN find it necessary to trail every Russian attack sub out of port? Because that's the only way I see this as being a potential embarrassment at all. And my guess is that we don't feel the need to track them all the time. So the Russians had a patrol in the Gulf. We patrol in the Barrents all the time. __________________

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Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	And if you read the rebuttal story on the front page, you'll see why it seemingly is not a big issue. From what I gathered, it was an alarmist story from a questionable news source. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

08-16-12, 09:54 PM	#4
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	I don't expect them to track every Russian boat all the time, but when it sits on your doorstep for a month undetected, I wouldn't think it would be too much to ask the Defense Dept to do a better job of watching them, especially that close to home. Hadn't seen the Forbes article until now, sorry for bringing it up. __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

08-17-12, 03:12 AM	#6
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I think they should just sail into New York harbour, pop the hatch and say "privet" if just for laughs. __________________

08-17-12, 02:27 AM	#5
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,766 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	A russian sub in international waters ! Who would have thunk ! Didn't the russian navy even partake in NATO exercises ? Should we fire NATO's high brass ? Apart from that we all know the US does that and worse since the cold war, from photographing russian subs in their home bases to following experimental russian subs photographing them while sailing rings around them. Sure, after the Volvo-Toshiba thingie the Russians are now able to build better/stealthier subs, but this article is so blown out of proportion lol

08-17-12, 04:37 AM	#7
sidslotm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I can't help but believe this was a behind the scenes agreed test of some kind. From what I remember the American Navy could not detect the Gotland Submarine either.

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nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	On a side note, has Russia ever messed around with our SOSUS lines? __________________

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nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	And in other news, Russian submarine sails to Gulf of Mexico without catching on fire or having the reactor meltdown. __________________

08-22-12, 02:20 PM	#12
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	It would be really embarrassing if it was one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_class_submarine Which one is noiser: USS Nautilus or a Lira Class? __________________

08-22-12, 04:27 PM	#13
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,766 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	From the "news" it was a 971 'Bars' class sub, appx. as silent as an LA class sub or so they say. Regarding which is noisier, the 571 or a 705 'Lira' - at which speed ? The Alfa with its 45 knots would just outrun a contemporary Nautilus torpedo - wasn't that the reason why the Mk48 was developed (?) Anyway russian subs meanwhile take part in NATO maneuvers, and lie cheek to cheek to Nato boats in internationsl harbours. Also american subs have filmed russian prototypes near their harbours violating russian territorial limits for decades, so what's the big deal now ? To be honest I would be more afraid of the Mafia than of the Russians lol Greetings, Catfish