[REQ] Better Enemy AI

sergei · 03-04-10, 02:40 AM

Having tried out the enemy AI in a few single missions, it seems rather gutless.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not out for a suicidal game, but it seems to me a game where you can run at flank speed across the bows of 5(!) destroyers in 42 without them even noticing you isn't much of a game at all.

For me the most exciting part of a sub game is not torpedoing a ship, but getting away afterward.

I'll be happily sitting here in my little corner, tweaking files to see what happens.
Probably no-one will even know I'm here.
You notice me and get any bright ideas, drop in here and let me know.

Ducimus · 03-04-10, 05:27 AM

If i publish just ONE mod for this game.

This will be it, no idea when.

JScones · 03-04-10, 05:32 AM

Just give in Ducimus, you know you will.

utops · 03-04-10, 09:06 AM

Hm
When AI gets theirs steroids, there will be no problem to pass any scripted mission or event? I mean, rebalancing scripted events may be necessary after that tweak...

skwasjer · 03-04-10, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

If i publish just ONE mod for this game.

This will be it, no idea when.

Oh no you won't! RESIST!

Sailor Steve · 03-04-10, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

If i publish just ONE mod for this game.

This will be it, no idea when.

It's like a potato chip: Nobody can eat just one.

Ducimus · 03-04-10, 12:40 PM

The thing is, i can probably whip it up fairly quickly. Getting a roughshod version up isn't a problem at all. The PITA is fine tuning it. Which i'm not gonna do. Instant someone comes up with an enviromental mod, its liable to be needing to be retuned. Or of a patch comes out and causes compatiblity issues.

No, i think ill toss up a 1.0 version, put in the who, whats, when, whys, and leave it as a template for the next yahoo.

Bilge_Rat · 03-04-10, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

The thing is, i can probably whip it up fairly quickly. Getting a roughshod version up isn't a problem at all. The PITA is fine tuning it. Which i'm not gonna do. Instant someone comes up with an enviromental mod, its liable to be needing to be retuned. Or of a patch comes out and causes compatiblity issues.

No, i think ill toss up a 1.0 version, put in the who, whats, when, whys, and leave it as a template for the next yahoo.

I think a lot of people would be willing to help with testing, fine tuning. You are probably the most qualified to take the first shot, after all...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...light=enemy+ai

and where will SH5 be if it does not have an allied "Bungo Pete"...

Ducimus · 03-04-10, 02:29 PM

>>nd where will SH5 be if it does not have an allied "Bungo Pete"

You'll have the 2nd support group filling that role.

Ok, im sick of hearing people b*tching about the AI, gonna give it an initial look see. Trouble is, to REALLY work it, i need to make a single mission where i can set up a test in controled/constant conditions so i can better gauge the adjustments im making, and that new mission editor has me scratching my head like a monkey doing a math problem.

Ducimus · 03-04-10, 03:06 PM

EDIT:

These values are mostly wrong. Some of the number scales have changed in SH5, leaving orginal post up for reference.

Alight, i have to get ready to work, so ill just cut to the chase and post what to adjust for a possible quick fix, down and dirty. Not tested, might not work as advertised.

Your blind ass watch crew:

Go to file:
/data/cfg/sensors.cfg

Change:
Visual range factor=0.5 to 0.25
Visual waves factor=0.8 to 0.4

That will, theoritically increase the distance your crew can see by 50%, and reduce effects of waves obsuring your watch crew by 50%.

Getting those Damned Dumb DD's to Do Dastardly Deeds :

Go to file:
/data/cfg/sim.cfg

Change:

[visuals]
Detection time=15.0 to 1, or 0.5 (take your pick)
Sensitivity=1 to 0.1 or 0.5 (take your pick)
Waves factor=10 to 4 (Holy Schitt UBI! )
Enemy surface factor=50 to 30
Enemy speed factor=25 to ehh.. i dunno try 8.

[Hydrophone]
Detection time=2 to 1
Sensitivity=1 to 0.15
Waves factor=1.0 to 0.5
Noise factor=1.3 to 0.25
Thermal Layer Signal Attenuation=3.0 to 1.0

[Sonar]
Sensitivity=1 to 0.05
Enemy surface factor=520 to 200
Thermal Layer Signal Attenuation=5.0 to 1.0

That should get you something. Have fun.

Bilge_Rat · 03-04-10, 03:21 PM

I presume the files are the same as before. Does it look like they added any new variables?

sergei · 03-04-10, 04:15 PM

Thanks Ducimus. I'll give these a go tomorrow

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

I presume the files are the same as before. Does it look like they added any new variables?

The sensors and sim cfgs look the same to me as the ones from SH4

Ducimus · 03-04-10, 04:17 PM

Yes they added new variables. Minimum threshold's. Haven't tested that before.

The above should get you something. Might even be over doing it. I dunno, but getting the AI to better detect you (and thus do something), is easy.

edit: it's also worth nothing, it might be possible that DD's will visually detect you before you can see them. I don't know the max distance on the AI_visual sensor node (goblin editor sucks balls from what i can make out), and i think the enviormentals isn't rendering things at a very far distance, as i think i saw ships pop out of nowhere on the tutorial.

Sailor Steve · 03-04-10, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

and where will SH5 be if it does not have an allied "Bungo Pete"...

We'll have to call him "Johnny Walker".

Or maybe "Donald McIntyre".

sergei · 03-04-10, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Yes they added new variables. Minimum threshold's. Haven't tested that before.

Ah, I stand corrected. I obviously didn't check hard enough.

03-04-10, 02:40 AM	#1
sergei Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: London UK Posts: 1,788 Downloads: 405 Uploads: 29	[REQ] Better Enemy AI Having tried out the enemy AI in a few single missions, it seems rather gutless. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not out for a suicidal game, but it seems to me a game where you can run at flank speed across the bows of 5(!) destroyers in 42 without them even noticing you isn't much of a game at all. For me the most exciting part of a sub game is not torpedoing a ship, but getting away afterward. I'll be happily sitting here in my little corner, tweaking files to see what happens. Probably no-one will even know I'm here. You notice me and get any bright ideas, drop in here and let me know.

03-04-10, 03:06 PM	#10
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	EDIT: These values are mostly wrong. Some of the number scales have changed in SH5, leaving orginal post up for reference. Alight, i have to get ready to work, so ill just cut to the chase and post what to adjust for a possible quick fix, down and dirty. Not tested, might not work as advertised. Your blind ass watch crew: Go to file: /data/cfg/sensors.cfg Change: Visual range factor=0.5 to 0.25 Visual waves factor=0.8 to 0.4 That will, theoritically increase the distance your crew can see by 50%, and reduce effects of waves obsuring your watch crew by 50%. Getting those Damned Dumb DD's to Do Dastardly Deeds : Go to file: /data/cfg/sim.cfg Change: [visuals] Detection time=15.0 to 1, or 0.5 (take your pick) Sensitivity=1 to 0.1 or 0.5 (take your pick) Waves factor=10 to 4 (Holy Schitt UBI! ) Enemy surface factor=50 to 30 Enemy speed factor=25 to ehh.. i dunno try 8. [Hydrophone] Detection time=2 to 1 Sensitivity=1 to 0.15 Waves factor=1.0 to 0.5 Noise factor=1.3 to 0.25 Thermal Layer Signal Attenuation=3.0 to 1.0 [Sonar] Sensitivity=1 to 0.05 Enemy surface factor=520 to 200 Thermal Layer Signal Attenuation=5.0 to 1.0 That should get you something. Have fun. Last edited by Ducimus; 03-05-10 at 05:21 AM. Reason: creative title. ;P

03-04-10, 03:21 PM	#11
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,855 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	I presume the files are the same as before. Does it look like they added any new variables? __________________

03-04-10, 05:27 AM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	If i publish just ONE mod for this game. This will be it, no idea when.

03-04-10, 05:32 AM	#3
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Just give in Ducimus, you know you will.

03-04-10, 09:06 AM	#4
utops Planesman Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Gdańsk,Poland Posts: 197 Downloads: 202 Uploads: 0	Hm When AI gets theirs steroids, there will be no problem to pass any scripted mission or event? I mean, rebalancing scripted events may be necessary after that tweak...

03-04-10, 12:40 PM	#7
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	The thing is, i can probably whip it up fairly quickly. Getting a roughshod version up isn't a problem at all. The PITA is fine tuning it. Which i'm not gonna do. Instant someone comes up with an enviromental mod, its liable to be needing to be retuned. Or of a patch comes out and causes compatiblity issues. No, i think ill toss up a 1.0 version, put in the who, whats, when, whys, and leave it as a template for the next yahoo.

03-04-10, 02:29 PM	#9
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	>>nd where will SH5 be if it does not have an allied "Bungo Pete" You'll have the 2nd support group filling that role. Ok, im sick of hearing people b*tching about the AI, gonna give it an initial look see. Trouble is, to REALLY work it, i need to make a single mission where i can set up a test in controled/constant conditions so i can better gauge the adjustments im making, and that new mission editor has me scratching my head like a monkey doing a math problem.

03-04-10, 04:17 PM	#13
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Yes they added new variables. Minimum threshold's. Haven't tested that before. The above should get you something. Might even be over doing it. I dunno, but getting the AI to better detect you (and thus do something), is easy. edit: it's also worth nothing, it might be possible that DD's will visually detect you before you can see them. I don't know the max distance on the AI_visual sensor node (goblin editor sucks balls from what i can make out), and i think the enviormentals isn't rendering things at a very far distance, as i think i saw ships pop out of nowhere on the tutorial.