All these great mods and modders....

tomoose · 05-07-09, 11:49 AM

.....and we still don't have an SH4 Commander yet!?!?!?!?

(and before anyone jumps on me, I'd do it if I had anywhere near the talent and brains some of these modders have but I don't, I'm only good at pointing out the obvious, LOL).

AVGWarhawk · 05-07-09, 12:18 PM

To be honest, I never used SH3 Commander. What does it do specifically that warrants it's creation?

Sailor Steve · 05-07-09, 01:12 PM

This is a trick question, right?

No? Okay...

It allows you to juggle all sorts of parameters with the click of a button: wave height, gun reload time, time compression, and more I can't think of off the top of my head (I'm not home so I can't look either).

It gives a realistic database of almost all 42,000 uboatmen, divided by first and last, for a combination of 1.7 billion possible crew names.

It has an option for realistic career length, along with your captain's pre-and-postwar history (something copied by SH4).

It gives historical names to every merchant you sink.

It allows instant randomization of just about anything you can think of, including merchant, warship and sub skins changing by date.

It allows you to go in and edit your patrol logs - unfortunately not during but after the patrol, which is still quite nice.

There's more, but as I said I can't remember everything while I'm at the library. As far as I'm concerned it is the single best thing created for SH3 - and yes, that includes the supermods.

skwasjer · 05-07-09, 01:16 PM

I would, I offered, but I'm tired. S3D still isn't finished for the same reason. I see such a program could be very usefull, and if it wasn't for S3D I definately would have made that instead but it just is too much work, and to do another long development project without compensation honestly isn't worth my time anylonger... (S3D has taken roughly 16 hours on average per week for 1.5 years, do the math)

Not to mention that SH4 is aging, and SH5 is around the corner... By the time I would be done with such a program!?

I have other projects that I rather work on now... That, and I still need to finish up S3D v1.0...

AVGWarhawk · 05-07-09, 01:19 PM

No, seriously Steve, I have never used this program. I played GW 1.? way back when. I did not feel I needed SH commander. All was dandy as far as I was concerned. I did not want to change waves, sky, skins, etc. I loaded and played what the fellas brought to the table. On your list, probably the historical name of the vessel sunk would be of interest to me. I have no interest in a patrol log. The log in the office (SH4) showing start date/end date and ships sunk is enough for me. Historical names, I never look at the names of my crew. Something that does not interest me. I understand that commander would make mechanical breakdowns which is a cool function. Other than that, playing GW 1.?, TMO, RFB, OM I did not think it was necessary. There must be more to it.

theluckyone17 · 05-07-09, 08:53 PM

The feature in SH3 Commander I remember most was the automatic crew rotation. It would "roll the die" and remove random crewmember(s), giving a realistic explanation for each departure. It definitely added to the "ambiance".

Sailor Steve · 05-08-09, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

No, seriously Steve...On your list, probably the historical name of the vessel sunk would be of interest to me.

Which is why I've spent so many years researching the proper ship names for each category in the game. It's one of the things that turns me off of SH4. Such a little thing, yet means so much to me.

Likewise the crew names. Before they were created for SH3 I never cared. Then I noticed the repeating, boring names, and Commander made that much better. I also like the patrol log function.

It's amazing how some of us can consider something to be absolutely vital and others can consider it to be no use at all. One man's theology is another man's belly laugh. No, wait, that was meat and poison.

Quote:

There must be more to it.

Probably not. It's all about what passes for immersion for each of us.

tomoose · 05-09-09, 09:29 AM

Oh well. I thought at one point that SH3 Comd could be modded to SH4 but the code is proprietary I suppose.

I guess screwing around with MS Access will have to continue (and it ain't a pretty sight, LOL).

05-07-09, 11:49 AM	#1
tomoose Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 930 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	All these great mods and modders.... .....and we still don't have an SH4 Commander yet!?!?!?!? (and before anyone jumps on me, I'd do it if I had anywhere near the talent and brains some of these modders have but I don't, I'm only good at pointing out the obvious, LOL).

05-07-09, 12:18 PM	#2
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	To be honest, I never used SH3 Commander. What does it do specifically that warrants it's creation? __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

05-07-09, 01:12 PM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	This is a trick question, right? No? Okay... It allows you to juggle all sorts of parameters with the click of a button: wave height, gun reload time, time compression, and more I can't think of off the top of my head (I'm not home so I can't look either). It gives a realistic database of almost all 42,000 uboatmen, divided by first and last, for a combination of 1.7 billion possible crew names. It has an option for realistic career length, along with your captain's pre-and-postwar history (something copied by SH4). It gives historical names to every merchant you sink. It allows instant randomization of just about anything you can think of, including merchant, warship and sub skins changing by date. It allows you to go in and edit your patrol logs - unfortunately not during but after the patrol, which is still quite nice. There's more, but as I said I can't remember everything while I'm at the library. As far as I'm concerned it is the single best thing created for SH3 - and yes, that includes the supermods. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

05-07-09, 01:16 PM	#4
skwasjer The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,549 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 3	I would, I offered, but I'm tired. S3D still isn't finished for the same reason. I see such a program could be very usefull, and if it wasn't for S3D I definately would have made that instead but it just is too much work, and to do another long development project without compensation honestly isn't worth my time anylonger... (S3D has taken roughly 16 hours on average per week for 1.5 years, do the math) Not to mention that SH4 is aging, and SH5 is around the corner... By the time I would be done with such a program!? I have other projects that I rather work on now... That, and I still need to finish up S3D v1.0... __________________ S3D - Silent 3ditor (v0.9.9) - S3D homepage - Open sourced S3D file parser API's - SUBSIM thread SH5 mods: Speech Recognition for SH5 \| Digital UI Clock Tutorials: [TEC] Import/export 3D models to/from game using S3D [TEC] How to work with the model viewer in S3D - VIDEO

05-07-09, 01:19 PM	#5
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	No, seriously Steve, I have never used this program. I played GW 1.? way back when. I did not feel I needed SH commander. All was dandy as far as I was concerned. I did not want to change waves, sky, skins, etc. I loaded and played what the fellas brought to the table. On your list, probably the historical name of the vessel sunk would be of interest to me. I have no interest in a patrol log. The log in the office (SH4) showing start date/end date and ships sunk is enough for me. Historical names, I never look at the names of my crew. Something that does not interest me. I understand that commander would make mechanical breakdowns which is a cool function. Other than that, playing GW 1.?, TMO, RFB, OM I did not think it was necessary. There must be more to it. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

05-07-09, 08:53 PM	#6
theluckyone17 Captain Join Date: May 2006 Location: Niskayuna, NY Posts: 482 Downloads: 103 Uploads: 0	The feature in SH3 Commander I remember most was the automatic crew rotation. It would "roll the die" and remove random crewmember(s), giving a realistic explanation for each departure. It definitely added to the "ambiance".

05-09-09, 09:29 AM	#8
tomoose Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 930 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	It's too bad. Oh well. I thought at one point that SH3 Comd could be modded to SH4 but the code is proprietary I suppose. I guess screwing around with MS Access will have to continue (and it ain't a pretty sight, LOL).