Why do you think McCain lost?

MothBalls · 11-05-08, 01:03 PM

Here's my $0.02

In the early days of the campaign when there was still multiple candidates, I was for McCain. As time went on and I paid closer attention to the candidates as the field narrowed down.

But then....

During the debates his focus was more on attacking Obama than answering the questions. Talking about the past, focused on the negative, that isn't something this country needs right now. We need to be looking at the future and solutions to the challenges we face, not mudslinging. I don't think he ever had a straight answer to any issue of importance.

His choice for VP. That decision was for one reason only, to get votes. I was sadly disappointed in his choice and his reason for choosing her. It was done out of desperation and not a decision of what would be best for the country.

After watching the debates, after seeing the negative campaign ads (the final turning point for me) I started to see things I didn't like. McCain wasn't being himself. You could see he was uncomfortable. He lacked confidence. He tried to act presidential, and he's not a good actor. He should have just been himself. It looked like we were in for more politics as usual.

<armchair quarterback>
I think he beat himself. If he would have never ran one negative ad, made an intelligent choice for VP, and spoke clearly about what he was going to do and how he was going to do it, he could have won.
</armchair quarterback>

Bottom line is Obama won. He's now my president and I will support him. He has my support, for now, but he has to earn my respect and trust.

castorp345 · 11-05-08, 01:07 PM

(and the economy)

donut · 11-05-08, 01:10 PM

SteamWake · 11-05-08, 01:11 PM

Ill be pre-emptive here...

I think the RNC's choice of Sarah Palin was one of the smarter things they did.

Not only did she appeal to the conservative base but it threw the DNC for a loop. They were totally un-prepaired for her.

McCain lost due to a few factors beyound his control...

The media wanted the first black president in office if for no other reason than 'history making'.

Obama had considerably more funds to work with and 'out avertised' his opponent.

The claim of "4 more years of the same" rang true to the anti Bush Crowd, true or not.

Obama had a large voting block locked up, he dident even have to campaign a single day to win that block.

Many brain dead liberals felt that Obama was going to "put gas in their tank and pay their mortagages" never mind the fact it is patently false.

Obama was able to blatently lie on the campaign trail again and again and no one called him on it.

The fact that Obama is a flaming liberal with Marxist intents was not driven home, not even mentioned till it was too late.

I can think of more by my blood pressure is already too high.

Skybird · 11-05-08, 01:30 PM

Ban biased media!

Ban biased forum posts!

On your blood pressure I can recommend a mixture of Bisoprolol, Lercanidipinhydrochloride and Enalaprilmaleat. It works wonders.

MothBalls · 11-05-08, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

On your blood pressure I can recommend a mixture of Bisoprolol, Lercanidipinhydrochloride and Enalaprilmaleat. It works wonders.

In the US we just use Jack Daniels, it's easier to pronounce and probably just as effective.

Biggles · 11-05-08, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Not only did she appeal to the conservative base but it threw the DNC for a loop. They were totally un-prepaired for her.

I often got the impression that she was totally un-prepared to give satisfying answers to the questions asked to her.

SteamWake · 11-05-08, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MothBalls

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

On your blood pressure I can recommend a mixture of Bisoprolol, Lercanidipinhydrochloride and Enalaprilmaleat. It works wonders.

In the US we just use Jack Daniels, it's easier to pronounce and probably just as effective.

Ill drink to that

I dont think my post was particurally 'biased' just a few observations.

SteamWake · 11-05-08, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggles

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Not only did she appeal to the conservative base but it threw the DNC for a loop. They were totally un-prepaired for her.

I often got the impression that she was totally un-prepared to give satisfying answers to the questions asked to her.

I got the impression that she was hamstrung by the RNC as to what she could and could not say causing at best hesitation.

AVGWarhawk · 11-05-08, 01:54 PM

I blame it all on Subman1 and his anti-Obama posts followed up by Skybirds retorts and showing Subman1 the shortcomings of his ideas and opinions. I rest my case :rotfl:

Ishmael · 11-05-08, 01:59 PM

My take on why McCain lost were seven words:

Quote:

The fundamentals of the economy are strong.

As to why I voted for Obama, one of the reasons was this game. As I played SH4 and listened to FDR's fireside chats in the depths of 1942, I was struck by the similarities between his speeches and Barack's. I could find no such comparisons with Mccain's speeches. In every speech and every debate I watched, Obama made one word stand out in my mind:

Statesman

He won because he acted like a statesman. His choices of advisors have also shown the care and thought he has put into this race. McCain was unfocused and all over the map. For me, the final straw was suspending his campaign to go sit like a bump on a log during the big meeting with Bush,Paulson et all. While Barack offered ideas and strategies, McCain said nothing.

Sea Demon · 11-05-08, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ishmael

As to why I voted for Obama, one of the reasons was this game. As I played SH4 and listened to FDR's fireside chats in the depths of 1942, I was struck by the similarities between his speeches and Barack's. I could find no such comparisons with Mccain's speeches. In every speech and every debate I watched, Obama made one word stand out in my mind:

Statesman

He won because he acted like a statesman. His choices of advisors have also shown the care and thought he has put into this race. McCain was unfocused and all over the map. For me, the final straw was suspending his campaign to go sit like a bump on a log during the big meeting with Bush,Paulson et all. While Barack offered ideas and strategies, McCain said nothing.

Exactly. Most of you people became star-struck by an image. It's not what he actually stands for, nor what he actually promotes. His questionable connections are meaningless, his pastor's anti-American vitriol doesn't register. Heck, the guy never actually defined one initiative he would put forth in any kind of detail. He still can't explain how he's going to provide "tax-cuts" to 95% of the American public. He is the most ambiguous candidate that I've ever seen in Presidential politics. All you guys heard were buzzwords like "change" and "hope" and stuff like that. And you people went into a trance over it. Obama to date has offered no true ideas. And even today he seems to be back-peddling from the over-reaching standard you guys have set for him in your apparent euphoric state. Seriously, I don't know if this country is going to survive you baby boom liberal Democrats.

ReallyDedPoet · 11-05-08, 02:15 PM

Whenever he wanted to take a break from the campaign to deal with the financial crisis. Well intended or not, people in his position don't take breaks.

This plus the Bush Baggage.

RDP

PeriscopeDepth · 11-05-08, 02:19 PM

Why he lost? It probably has something to do with the past eight years and both Bush and McCain having an "R" by their name. McCain's campaign did not exactly help him either.

PD

ReallyDedPoet · 11-05-08, 02:25 PM

Also he was in the wrong place at the wrong time, one wonders how different things would have been if he would have won the
nomination back in 2000 instead of Bush.

RDP

11-05-08, 01:03 PM	#1
MothBalls Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,012 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Why do you think McCain lost? Here's my $0.02 In the early days of the campaign when there was still multiple candidates, I was for McCain. As time went on and I paid closer attention to the candidates as the field narrowed down. But then.... During the debates his focus was more on attacking Obama than answering the questions. Talking about the past, focused on the negative, that isn't something this country needs right now. We need to be looking at the future and solutions to the challenges we face, not mudslinging. I don't think he ever had a straight answer to any issue of importance. His choice for VP. That decision was for one reason only, to get votes. I was sadly disappointed in his choice and his reason for choosing her. It was done out of desperation and not a decision of what would be best for the country. After watching the debates, after seeing the negative campaign ads (the final turning point for me) I started to see things I didn't like. McCain wasn't being himself. You could see he was uncomfortable. He lacked confidence. He tried to act presidential, and he's not a good actor. He should have just been himself. It looked like we were in for more politics as usual. <armchair quarterback> I think he beat himself. If he would have never ran one negative ad, made an intelligent choice for VP, and spoke clearly about what he was going to do and how he was going to do it, he could have won. </armchair quarterback> Bottom line is Obama won. He's now my president and I will support him. He has my support, for now, but he has to earn my respect and trust.

11-05-08, 01:07 PM	#2
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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Ban biased media! Ban biased forum posts! On your blood pressure I can recommend a mixture of Bisoprolol, Lercanidipinhydrochloride and Enalaprilmaleat. It works wonders. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-05-08, 01:54 PM	#10
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I blame it all on Subman1 and his anti-Obama posts followed up by Skybirds retorts and showing Subman1 the shortcomings of his ideas and opinions. I rest my case :rotfl: __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

11-05-08, 01:11 PM	#4
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Ill be pre-emptive here... I think the RNC's choice of Sarah Palin was one of the smarter things they did. Not only did she appeal to the conservative base but it threw the DNC for a loop. They were totally un-prepaired for her. McCain lost due to a few factors beyound his control... The media wanted the first black president in office if for no other reason than 'history making'. Obama had considerably more funds to work with and 'out avertised' his opponent. The claim of "4 more years of the same" rang true to the anti Bush Crowd, true or not. Obama had a large voting block locked up, he dident even have to campaign a single day to win that block. Many brain dead liberals felt that Obama was going to "put gas in their tank and pay their mortagages" never mind the fact it is patently false. Obama was able to blatently lie on the campaign trail again and again and no one called him on it. The fact that Obama is a flaming liberal with Marxist intents was not driven home, not even mentioned till it was too late. I can think of more by my blood pressure is already too high.

11-05-08, 02:15 PM	#13
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,884 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Whenever he wanted to take a break from the campaign to deal with the financial crisis. Well intended or not, people in his position don't take breaks. This plus the Bush Baggage. RDP __________________ Back in the Day

11-05-08, 02:19 PM	#14
PeriscopeDepth Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 1,894 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Why he lost? It probably has something to do with the past eight years and both Bush and McCain having an "R" by their name. McCain's campaign did not exactly help him either. PD

11-05-08, 02:25 PM	#15
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,884 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Also he was in the wrong place at the wrong time, one wonders how different things would have been if he would have won the nomination back in 2000 instead of Bush. RDP __________________ Back in the Day Last edited by ReallyDedPoet; 11-05-08 at 02:25 PM.