attack or not

wivs · 09-11-07, 08:19 AM

Ahoy Shipmates! This is my first patrol on SH3, I have only had the gme for a couple of weeks but I have to say what a fantastic sim it is! I did have a few doubts about buying it[ My dad served on Hms Limbourne and HMS Liverpool during WW2. He was torpedoed twice and sunk once, so he will be turning in his grave}. I just wanted to canvas opinion about when to attack ships in harbour. I have just sneaked into Loch Ewe but the only reasonable target at anchor is Fiji Light cruiser. If I attack then I will unleash hell on my boat and crew{ there are 3 anti sub ships in the area and the water is very shallow}. Should I just sneak away and find a nice easy merchantman? Or will I get heaps of renown for carrying out a daring raid in the Royal Navys back yard. If I survive the onslaught that is!

Huskalar · 09-11-07, 08:31 AM

Hi, I'd say attack. I've done it and got away undetected.

Canovaro · 09-11-07, 08:35 AM

Don't do it. Better live on and attack easy targets that are more valuable to the Kriegsmarine.

I don't know about the realism level you play, but at higher levels, port raiding is very risky.

danurve · 09-11-07, 08:42 AM

Well, your there yes?
A weapon unused, is a useless weapon. Even if in early war some of the torpedoes are turds. Try to get the best AOB you can, you may need to use impact pistols for midship impact as the shallows could prevent you from sending fish under her keel.

Welcome aboard btw.
You will most likely get a few standard responces about keeping out of shallow waters and harbours, or having to play the game a certain way etc. Try this; have some fun with the game and let yourself decide on what you want to do with it.

Brag · 09-11-07, 08:52 AM

Welcome aboard

Stay out of shallow water
Stay out of Der Kanal
Stay out of hostile harbours
Read my webbie. You win wars by letting the other guy be a reckless hero! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Laughing Swordfish · 09-11-07, 10:34 AM

Go for it.

LS

nikbear · 09-11-07, 11:09 AM

Welcome to the board wivs

since your there you might as well attack and get the harbour raiding bug out of your system

then go and find some nice big merchants that unkle Karl sent you to sink in the first place

09-11-07, 11:37 AM

Save the game first, then attack. You can then go back to the saved game and replay.

VolvicCH · 09-11-07, 12:14 PM

"You dont win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by making the other sonofabitch die for his"

George S. Patton.

Have a nice day

09-11-07, 12:47 PM

If using SH4, surface and use the deck gun, If using GWX be ready to kiss your A$$ good bye if you get it wrong

desirableroasted · 09-11-07, 01:32 PM

Go for it... if it's 1939, you may even get away with it.

klh · 09-11-07, 02:05 PM

Wivs,

It's probably no surprise that the community is split on the issue. The key question is if you want to play the more realistic "dead is dead", or want to play this as a game and try out different scenarios for fun.

For the former, make your attack decision based on if risking the lives of your crew are worth the target. A destroyer or cruiser isn't worth as much, but a battleship or carrier (or a tanker or liberty ship) might be. Do you have an clear exit lane from the harbor? How proficient are you at shallow operations? How close is the nearest deep water? Can you fire from a distance? Is there a period where the ASW assets are turned away from you? How about weather and visibility (it's easier to escape in dark, stormy seas)? Can you wait outside the harbor for traffic?

If the latter, then save a game, and give it a go. Hey, Prien did it. Worst thing that happens is you reload and try a different approach the next time.

As for me, I'm the "dead is dead" conservative type. I have let some juicy targets go when the odds were against me, but then again, my boat and I are still in the fight.

Stierlitz · 09-11-07, 02:08 PM

Rule One in War: If it breathes, make it stop.

headcase · 09-11-07, 02:40 PM

Welcome aboard!

I would try to slip out more quietly than I went in. It is a tempting tatget, but the lives of your crew and the boat are worth a lot more. Plenty of good targets in open water. And a much better chance of survival. I'm not saying to avoid risk altogether, just make sure you have plenty of water under your keel, and full batteries first. Then attack relentlessly with cunning and skill.

Good Hunting, and have fun.

Hakahura · 09-11-07, 04:28 PM

Bdu to wivs...

Be More Aggresive!

But bring your boat and crew home.

09-11-07, 08:19 AM	#1
wivs Watch Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 15 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	attack or not Ahoy Shipmates! This is my first patrol on SH3, I have only had the gme for a couple of weeks but I have to say what a fantastic sim it is! I did have a few doubts about buying it[ My dad served on Hms Limbourne and HMS Liverpool during WW2. He was torpedoed twice and sunk once, so he will be turning in his grave}. I just wanted to canvas opinion about when to attack ships in harbour. I have just sneaked into Loch Ewe but the only reasonable target at anchor is Fiji Light cruiser. If I attack then I will unleash hell on my boat and crew{ there are 3 anti sub ships in the area and the water is very shallow}. Should I just sneak away and find a nice easy merchantman? Or will I get heaps of renown for carrying out a daring raid in the Royal Navys back yard. If I survive the onslaught that is!

09-11-07, 08:42 AM	#4
danurve The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 1,481 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 3	Well, your there yes? A weapon unused, is a useless weapon. Even if in early war some of the torpedoes are turds. Try to get the best AOB you can, you may need to use impact pistols for midship impact as the shallows could prevent you from sending fish under her keel. Welcome aboard btw. You will most likely get a few standard responces about keeping out of shallow waters and harbours, or having to play the game a certain way etc. Try this; have some fun with the game and let yourself decide on what you want to do with it. __________________

09-11-07, 08:52 AM	#5
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Welcome aboard Stay out of shallow water Stay out of Der Kanal Stay out of hostile harbours Read my webbie. You win wars by letting the *other* guy be a reckless hero! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

09-11-07, 11:09 AM	#7
nikbear Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northampton,UK Posts: 1,859 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	Welcome to the board wivs since your there you might as well attack and get the harbour raiding bug out of your system then go and find some nice big merchants that unkle Karl sent you to sink in the first place __________________ 'It is not surely known when the grey wolf shall come upon the seat of the gods' Ericksmal.

09-11-07, 12:14 PM	#9
VolvicCH Bosun Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Guadiaro, Spain Posts: 65 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	"You dont win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by making the other sonofabitch die for his" George S. Patton. Have a nice day __________________ “Oh God, thy sea is so great and my boat is so small” “As we sail thru life, don't avoid rough waters, sail on because calm waters won't make a skillful sailor”

09-11-07, 08:31 AM	#2
Huskalar Ensign Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 221 Downloads: 176 Uploads: 0	Hi, I'd say attack. I've done it and got away undetected.

09-11-07, 08:35 AM	#3
Canovaro Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,062 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Don't do it. Better live on and attack easy targets that are more valuable to the Kriegsmarine. I don't know about the realism level you play, but at higher levels, port raiding is very risky.

09-11-07, 10:34 AM	#6
Laughing Swordfish Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: London Posts: 713 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Go for it. LS

09-11-07, 11:37 AM	#8
von Zelda Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Save the game first, then attack. You can then go back to the saved game and replay.

09-11-07, 12:47 PM	#10
hobnailboot Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	If using SH4, surface and use the deck gun, If using GWX be ready to kiss your A$$ good bye if you get it wrong

09-11-07, 01:32 PM	#11
desirableroasted Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: In the mountains, now. On the edge of the sea before. Posts: 933 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	Go for it... if it's 1939, you may even get away with it. __________________ "Well, now, that's true... the IXC is a bit of a chick magnet..but you really can't beat the VIIB for off-road fun."

09-11-07, 02:05 PM	#12
klh Der Alte Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 227 Downloads: 200 Uploads: 0	Wivs, It's probably no surprise that the community is split on the issue. The key question is if you want to play the more realistic "dead is dead", or want to play this as a game and try out different scenarios for fun. For the former, make your attack decision based on if risking the lives of your crew are worth the target. A destroyer or cruiser isn't worth as much, but a battleship or carrier (or a tanker or liberty ship) might be. Do you have an clear exit lane from the harbor? How proficient are you at shallow operations? How close is the nearest deep water? Can you fire from a distance? Is there a period where the ASW assets are turned away from you? How about weather and visibility (it's easier to escape in dark, stormy seas)? Can you wait outside the harbor for traffic? If the latter, then save a game, and give it a go. Hey, Prien did it. Worst thing that happens is you reload and try a different approach the next time. As for me, I'm the "dead is dead" conservative type. I have let some juicy targets go when the odds were against me, but then again, my boat and I are still in the fight.

09-11-07, 02:08 PM	#13
Stierlitz Loader Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lurking at PD... Posts: 86 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Rule One in War: If it breathes, make it stop.

09-11-07, 02:40 PM	#14
headcase Sparky Join Date: May 2007 Location: The wrong side of the tracks, Neverland Posts: 157 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Welcome aboard! I would try to slip out more quietly than I went in. It is a tempting tatget, but the lives of your crew and the boat are worth a lot more. Plenty of good targets in open water. And a much better chance of survival. I'm not saying to avoid risk altogether, just make sure you have plenty of water under your keel, and full batteries first. Then attack relentlessly with cunning and skill. Good Hunting, and have fun. __________________ It's like the Blues. You can't play em if you haven't lived em. GWX 3.0 DID

09-11-07, 04:28 PM	#15
Hakahura Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Posts: 785 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Bdu to wivs... Be More Aggresive! But bring your boat and crew home. __________________ Sir Humphey Appleby, GCB, KBE, MVO and MA. Britain's Greatest Orator, well bar that Churchill fellow.