GWX circle of death

L_DOG · 01-19-07, 11:50 AM

i just put in the new CWX mod.
seems every time i go out i get swarmed by the enemy .
i get 2 to 3 DD or flower class ships that circle me within 300 meters and i just cant slip away. and even an armed TUG ?? this is funny.
cant even get a shot off because there to close to me UGH.
can we turn down the ai sensors a bitt ???

bigboywooly · 01-19-07, 11:55 AM

What year are you playing in and how long have you had SH3 ?

You have to think like a Uboat Kpt
Its not the SH3 arcade game any more where you can sail on the surface at high speed and do as you like

Silent running of 2 kts and under will help you lose the ships above
However if you are always surrounded by 2 or 3 ships you are obviousley doing something wrong before then for them to find you in such numbers

Convoy attacks need to be planned with stealth in mind

Later in the war I have had multiple escorts above and got away
Not always

The later the war goes on the more esorts are out there

Read the manual
Some great tips in there

_Seth_ · 01-19-07, 11:56 AM

Hi mate! the sensors is made that way for realism. but there are ways to change that!

EDIT: bbw beat me to it...... :-)

L_DOG · 01-19-07, 12:04 PM

ok crusing around north west england in the shipping lanes.
1st i get airplanes i dive ,here comes a dd or flower.
then he calls for more help.
mean while im at the bottom duing 2 knots in silent mode dogging depth charges.
and make turns away from disaster and trying to slip away only to die.

Abd_von_Mumit · 01-19-07, 12:09 PM

One of the first lessons I took with GWX was: avoid shallow waters. Now I avoid the Northern See as much as I can, and go north or west, to do my job on the shelf boarder. If I'd have to chase my prey to area shallower thn 200 metres, I drop it and wait till the next possibility.

Shallow is another word for death, man. With GWX 'death' got also some other brothers and sisters, like:
- channel,
- surface,
- moon,
- good weather,
- sunrise,
- bravery...
- rush.

Life has only three sisters I know personally:
- fear,
- patience,
- caution.

Brag · 01-19-07, 01:56 PM

Welcome to the Doom Club!
You're probably doing something to attract trouble. Get spotted by aircraft, or making too much noise. NEVER approach a convoy at more than 3 knots. Allways approach in SILENT running (keyboard Z). The moment you see an airplane dive. Same with any warship.

In my last patrol, must of my contacts were with warships. But I did sink one destroyer. Had to skulk away back to Kiel with a heavily damaged boat and low tonnage.

Read the manual and visit my website.

Be afraid, very afraid

Iron Budokan · 01-19-07, 02:09 PM

The arcade days of stock SHIII are long gone, glad to say.

raymond6751 · 01-19-07, 02:11 PM

Try this. Go as deep as possible, slow, and set your rudder to 5 degree turn in any direction. You can vary this with 10 degrees. You can even zig and zag slowly, back and forth every 5 minutes along a path line.

The escorts seem to have trouble with this rudder stuff. When they get a fix on you they go for a spot in the sea. You keep moving away at minor degree turns.

This is more difficult with multiple escorts but try it.

AVGWarhawk · 01-19-07, 02:27 PM

Low and slow. The night time is the right time. Shadow from far off. Do the end round and attack at night. It can be done! Think like a Kaleun and react like one. The days of blazing in are over! It is much more challenging.

Once you sink a few, run deep and run at 2kts. Silent running. Zig zag. It can work!

IceGrog · 01-19-07, 02:36 PM

I used to have lots of problems with the dying thing, I still have a hard time but I’ve gotten a lot better. I used to charge right up to the convoys full blast but after reading some the posts from the old guys, I’ve been paying more attention to keeping from being heard from the enemy, just in doing that I saw a lot of improvement. Although even in the GWX when I’m trying to sneak up on a convoy, they are always sending a DD back to check the area that I’m in. Most of the time now I come away with more DD kills than merchants.

AVGWarhawk · 01-19-07, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by IceGrog

I used to have lots of problems with the dying thing, I still have a hard time but I’ve gotten a lot better. I used to charge right up to the convoys full blast but after reading some the posts from the old guys, I’ve been paying more attention to keeping from being heard from the enemy, just in doing that I saw a lot of improvement. Although even in the GWX when I’m trying to sneak up on a convoy, they are always sending a DD back to check the area that I’m in. Most of the time now I come away with more DD kills than merchants.

You can get in there even in day light. Normally the convoy has a warship at 12, 3, 6 and 9 o'clock positions. If you can get ahead of the convoy. Stay at say 40m, silent, 2kts. Make the approach at the 1-2 o'clock position as they are headed towards you. Once the lead warships passes you(once you get past the 12 o'clock warship, you are good), raise to scope depth, open your doors, take your bearings. Wait for the convoy to come over you. Let them have it, go deep and silent. Exit the back of the convoy. Works every time.

IceGrog · 01-19-07, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

You can get in there even in day light. Normally the convoy has a warship at 12, 3, 6 and 9 o'clock positions. If you can get ahead of the convoy. Stay at say 40m, silent, 2kts. Make the approach at the 1-2 o'clock position as they are headed towards you. Once the lead warships passes you(once you get past the 12 o'clock warship, you are good), raise to scope depth, open your doors, take your bearings. Wait for the convoy to come over you. Let them have it, go deep and silent. Exit the back of the convoy. Works every time.

it seem that 90% of the time i always end up looking at the rear of the convoy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well i guess that's how i picked me wife,

AVGWarhawk · 01-19-07, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by IceGrog

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

You can get in there even in day light. Normally the convoy has a warship at 12, 3, 6 and 9 o'clock positions. If you can get ahead of the convoy. Stay at say 40m, silent, 2kts. Make the approach at the 1-2 o'clock position as they are headed towards you. Once the lead warships passes you(once you get past the 12 o'clock warship, you are good), raise to scope depth, open your doors, take your bearings. Wait for the convoy to come over you. Let them have it, go deep and silent. Exit the back of the convoy. Works every time.

it seem that 90% of the time i always end up looking at the rear of the convoy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well i guess that's how i picked me wife,

Funny, me too. Come in from the stern on the surface and only at night! Submerged you will never have enough speed. The end round to get infront is always my favorite attack position day or night.

Hartmann · 01-19-07, 03:40 PM

A circle could be a good way to chase submarines because while one scort is doing a attack run , others are stopped in the water tracking the contact and sending signals to the others.

the scorts are attacking in turns whith the sub in the middle of the "circle"

Kapitan Edvard · 01-19-07, 04:16 PM

I know I am no authority what-so-ever, but my problem with approaching a convoy at 2-3 knots is that I cant get into the convoy. I usually spot it some distance of, and really have to speed up to be able to collide with it, or else it just goes straight past me, at a large range.

01-19-07, 11:50 AM	#1
L_DOG Bosun Join Date: May 2005 Location: SPARTA,TENNESSEE Posts: 67 Downloads: 133 Uploads: 0	GWX circle of death i just put in the new CWX mod. seems every time i go out i get swarmed by the enemy . i get 2 to 3 DD or flower class ships that circle me within 300 meters and i just cant slip away. and even an armed TUG ?? this is funny. cant even get a shot off because there to close to me UGH. can we turn down the ai sensors a bitt ??? __________________ Reenacting the 10.Komapany Großdeutschland Div.

01-19-07, 11:55 AM	#2
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	What year are you playing in and how long have you had SH3 ? You have to think like a Uboat Kpt Its not the SH3 arcade game any more where you can sail on the surface at high speed and do as you like Silent running of 2 kts and under will help you lose the ships above However if you are always surrounded by 2 or 3 ships you are obviousley doing something wrong before then for them to find you in such numbers Convoy attacks need to be planned with stealth in mind Later in the war I have had multiple escorts above and got away Not always The later the war goes on the more esorts are out there Read the manual Some great tips in there __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

01-19-07, 11:56 AM	#3
_Seth_ Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In Tromsoe, @Tirpitz' final resting place.. Posts: 3,277 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	Hi mate! the sensors is made that way for realism. but there are ways to change that! EDIT: bbw beat me to it...... :-) __________________

01-19-07, 12:04 PM	#4
L_DOG Bosun Join Date: May 2005 Location: SPARTA,TENNESSEE Posts: 67 Downloads: 133 Uploads: 0	in a nut shell ok crusing around north west england in the shipping lanes. 1st i get airplanes i dive ,here comes a dd or flower. then he calls for more help. mean while im at the bottom duing 2 knots in silent mode dogging depth charges. and make turns away from disaster and trying to slip away only to die. __________________ Reenacting the 10.Komapany Großdeutschland Div.

01-19-07, 12:09 PM	#5
Abd_von_Mumit The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Warszawa, Polska Posts: 1,453 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 4	One of the first lessons I took with GWX was: avoid shallow waters. Now I avoid the Northern See as much as I can, and go north or west, to do my job on the shelf boarder. If I'd have to chase my prey to area shallower thn 200 metres, I drop it and wait till the next possibility. Shallow is another word for death, man. With GWX 'death' got also some other brothers and sisters, like: - channel, - surface, - moon, - good weather, - sunrise, - bravery... - rush. Life has only three sisters I know personally: - fear, - patience, - caution. __________________ Long, hard, wet and full of seamen. My precious. SH3+GWX+OLC — sunk x4, retired x2; SH5+TDW — still exploring My SH5 mods: EQuaTool - Elite Quality Map Tools, Patrol Routine Scripts, No Logo Intro Menu_Animation, Less Annoying Stopwatch Links: SH5 mods I use, FileFront, Manual plotting how-to

01-19-07, 01:56 PM	#6
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Welcome to the Doom Club! You're probably doing something to attract trouble. Get spotted by aircraft, or making too much noise. NEVER approach a convoy at more than 3 knots. Allways approach in SILENT running (keyboard Z). The moment you see an airplane dive. Same with any warship. In my last patrol, must of my contacts were with warships. But I did sink one destroyer. Had to skulk away back to Kiel with a heavily damaged boat and low tonnage. Read the manual and visit my website. Be afraid, very afraid __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

01-19-07, 02:09 PM	#7
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	The arcade days of stock SHIII are long gone, glad to say. __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

01-19-07, 02:11 PM	#8
raymond6751 Admirable Mike Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,338 Downloads: 421 Uploads: 0	Five Degree Solution Try this. Go as deep as possible, slow, and set your rudder to 5 degree turn in any direction. You can vary this with 10 degrees. You can even zig and zag slowly, back and forth every 5 minutes along a path line. The escorts seem to have trouble with this rudder stuff. When they get a fix on you they go for a spot in the sea. You keep moving away at minor degree turns. This is more difficult with multiple escorts but try it.

01-19-07, 02:27 PM	#9
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Low and slow. The night time is the right time. Shadow from far off. Do the end round and attack at night. It can be done! Think like a Kaleun and react like one. The days of blazing in are over! It is much more challenging. Once you sink a few, run deep and run at 2kts. Silent running. Zig zag. It can work! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-19-07, 02:36 PM	#10
IceGrog Engineer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA on the edge of the Pacific Posts: 217 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I used to have lots of problems with the dying thing, I still have a hard time but I’ve gotten a lot better. I used to charge right up to the convoys full blast but after reading some the posts from the old guys, I’ve been paying more attention to keeping from being heard from the enemy, just in doing that I saw a lot of improvement. Although even in the GWX when I’m trying to sneak up on a convoy, they are always sending a DD back to check the area that I’m in. Most of the time now I come away with more DD kills than merchants. __________________ U-551 7th Flottille Laid down: 21 Nov, 1939, Blohm & Voss, Hamburg Commissioned: 7 Nov, 1940 Commander: Kptlt. IceGrog von Ritter Sunk: 12/11/1940, 01/01/1941, 10/16/1941, 01/16/1942, 08/04/1943 .................................................. .......... A bartender is just a pharmacist with a limited inventory

01-19-07, 03:40 PM	#14
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	A circle could be a good way to chase submarines because while one scort is doing a attack run , others are stopped in the water tracking the contact and sending signals to the others. the scorts are attacking in turns whith the sub in the middle of the "circle" __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

01-19-07, 04:16 PM	#15
Kapitan Edvard Watch Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 19 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I know I am no authority what-so-ever, but my problem with approaching a convoy at 2-3 knots is that I cant get into the convoy. I usually spot it some distance of, and really have to speed up to be able to collide with it, or else it just goes straight past me, at a large range.