Stadimeter bugged

Klub Bilderberg · 05-20-10, 08:23 AM

I guess im not the only one who was confused about strange values returned from stadimeter. I wanted to try out changing the mast height parameters for each ship same way it was made by modders for sh4. But it turned in no results.

Out of curiosity ive false identified a known ship during a test mission. To my surprise the stadimeter values didnt change. So i came to the conclusion that it doesnt matter whether you identify the target right or wrong. The game engine seems to ignore the individual mast heights for each ship, it just takes some default value which might be more or less acurate. So there is definetely a bug with the stadimeter.

discuss.

kylania · 05-20-10, 08:27 AM

Welcome aboard!

You're entirely correct in your observations of remaining bugs with the 1.2 patch. That said, TheDarkWraith's NewUI + TDC 2.5.0 fixes the standimeter. Enjoy!

Klub Bilderberg · 05-20-10, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kylania

Welcome aboard!

That said, TheDarkWraith's NewUI + TDC 2.5.0 fixes the standimeter. Enjoy!

can someone confirm that stadimeter works accurate with that addon?

Blood_splat · 05-20-10, 08:48 AM

Dude this is subsim!

kylania · 05-20-10, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Klub Bilderberg

can someone confirm that stadimeter works accurate with that addon?

Erm, I just did...

Shiplord · 05-20-10, 10:31 AM

The use of the Statimeter in the game is nonsense because measurement of the height from sea surface to the top of the mast never provide accurate results, because an empty tanker for example has a shallower draft than a full tanker and thus also the height to the top of the mast is differently with the same type of vessels.

During my time in the navy we measured the mast height from his root to the top and not from sea level because only this value is static.

05-20-10, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiplord

The use of the Statimeter in the game is nonsense because measurement of the height from sea surface to the top of the mast never provide accurate results, because an empty tanker for example has a shallower draft than a full tanker and thus also the height to the top of the mast is differently with the same type of vessels.

During my time in the navy we measured the mast height from his root to the top and not from sea level because only this value is static.

Good point, I'd never actually thought of that!

How would the real U-boot captains cope with this problem, I wonder.

Klub Bilderberg · 05-20-10, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by severniae

Good point, I'd never actually thought of that!

How would the real U-boot captains cope with this problem, I wonder.

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Originally Posted by Shiplord

The use of the Statimeter in the game is nonsense because measurement of the height from sea surface to the top of the mast never provide accurate results, because an empty tanker for example has a shallower draft than a full tanker and thus also the height to the top of the mast is differently with the same type of vessels.

During my time in the navy we measured the mast height from his root to the top and not from sea level because only this value is static.

yes its true. The mast height is taken from root to top. Ive been saying this during sh3 times already. But on the other hand its easier to messure from sea level and there is always same draft regardless of payload for each ship anyway. If you want realism someone make a stadimeter mod that works from root to top.

Sonarman · 05-20-10, 11:21 AM

@Shiplord

Great post

, that never occured to me but the reasoning is obvious, perhaps theDarkWraith could make this change in his multiple UI mod the ship config files?

kylania · 05-20-10, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sonarman

@Shiplord

Great post

, that never occured to me but the reasoning is obvious, perhaps theDarkWraith could make this change in his multiple UI mod the ship config files?

Because that would be a drastic change that would satisfy a small handful of people and would probably be incompatible with other ship packs and completely at odds with stock features?

Navarre · 05-20-10, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kylania

...and would probably be incompatible with other ship packs and completely at odds with stock features?

That's the problem with the stadimeter in the Silent Hunter series, it's broken by design since SHIII

kylania · 05-20-10, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Navarre

That's the problem with the stadimeter in the Silent Hunter series, it's broken by design since SHIII

Apparently the SH4 Fleet Boat one worked via dual images instead of line to mast and therefore didn't have to lined up with the waterline or whatever. Never played it that much to remember though. heh

Klub Bilderberg · 05-20-10, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kylania

Apparently the SH4 Fleet Boat one worked via dual images instead of line to mast and therefore didn't have to lined up with the waterline or whatever. Never played it that much to remember though. heh

you dont have to line up the water line in sh5 either. Its working pretty much the same as in sh4.

kylania · 05-20-10, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Klub Bilderberg

you dont have to line up the water line in sh5 either. Its working pretty much the same as in sh4.

Whoa.. you're right.

Makes things even easier now! heh

Could have sworn it was the other way around.

Itkovian · 05-21-10, 07:28 AM

Wait, you don't have to line up to the waterline first?

What I've been doing now is line up the horizontal black line in the peri to the target's waterline, activated the stadi, and then raised the black line of the second picture that appears to the top of the mast of the original (non-moving) image.

Are you saying that's not necessary? How does one do it otherwise?

Itkovian

05-20-10, 08:23 AM	#1
Klub Bilderberg Swabbie Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 12 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	Stadimeter bugged I guess im not the only one who was confused about strange values returned from stadimeter. I wanted to try out changing the mast height parameters for each ship same way it was made by modders for sh4. But it turned in no results. Out of curiosity ive false identified a known ship during a test mission. To my surprise the stadimeter values didnt change. So i came to the conclusion that it doesnt matter whether you identify the target right or wrong. The game engine seems to ignore the individual mast heights for each ship, it just takes some default value which might be more or less acurate. So there is definetely a bug with the stadimeter. discuss.

05-20-10, 08:27 AM	#2
kylania Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	Welcome aboard! You're entirely correct in your observations of remaining bugs with the 1.2 patch. That said, TheDarkWraith's NewUI + TDC 2.5.0 fixes the standimeter. Enjoy! __________________

05-20-10, 11:21 AM	#9
Sonarman The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ayr,Scotland,UK Posts: 1,392 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	@Shiplord Great post, that never occured to me but the reasoning is obvious, perhaps theDarkWraith could make this change in his multiple UI mod the ship config files? __________________ "The action is simulated...the excitement is real!" Microprose Simulation Software.

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05-20-10, 08:48 AM	#4
Blood_splat Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Beneath the waves Posts: 568 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Dude this is subsim!

05-20-10, 10:31 AM	#6
Shiplord Helmsman Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 109 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The use of the Statimeter in the game is nonsense because measurement of the height from sea surface to the top of the mast never provide accurate results, because an empty tanker for example has a shallower draft than a full tanker and thus also the height to the top of the mast is differently with the same type of vessels. During my time in the navy we measured the mast height from his root to the top and not from sea level because only this value is static.

05-21-10, 07:28 AM	#15
Itkovian Helmsman Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 106 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Wait, you don't have to line up to the waterline first? What I've been doing now is line up the horizontal black line in the peri to the target's waterline, activated the stadi, and then raised the black line of the second picture that appears to the top of the mast of the original (non-moving) image. Are you saying that's not necessary? How does one do it otherwise? Itkovian