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I am currently working on a program that automatically generates intelligence maps for you, similar to what I did with Sh3Gen Tracking Room.
In order to get some tips about the usefulness of the maps I have prepared data that you can download and put under review. All you need to do before you can open the map is install the free TatukGIS viewer (included in the download). These maps were all generated with the PTO vanilla campaign. There are 5 maps which give full intelligence information for every year from 1940-1945. No randomization was applied, so unlike Sh3Gen the information is very reliable! If you still play with vanilla, the maps should already be very useful in their present form, but my aim is to release the map generator application which is supposed to work with any mod. It would be very helpful if some people try the maps and give suggestions about their usefulness, from my point of view I am already pretty happy and out of ideas how they could be improved. I will try to collect ideas and see if they can be incorporated in the next release. MAP LAYERS artillery (coastal batteries) anti_aircraft docked ships (approximate or detailed) minefields subnets patrols (coastal asw) coastal traffic Traffic layers, show only areas of activity (no spysat information) merchants asw navy geographic locations major locations minor locations gshhs_h shorelines bathymetry Download here: http://www.christian-wendt.org/SH4/SH4TR20080823.7z [ 13.9mb ] INSTRUCTIONS INSTALLATION install TatukGIS Viewer (included in the download) OPEN MAPS the maps are in folder \\MAPS there you find one folder for every year in every folder you find a file Sh3Gen Tracking Room.TTKGP double click this file and it will open in the viewer you can also start the Viewer first and then open the file (Sh3Gen Tracking Room.TTKGP) VIEWER on the right side you see a layer panel. use it to check/uncheck layers. names should be mostly self explaining. click on the "hand" symbol to drag the map use the mouse wheel to zoom SCREENSHOTS Red zones showing japanese asw activity (July 1942 I think): ![]() The same map overlayed with other traffic zones (jap merchants, us navy, etc): ![]() Coastal traffic and defenses around mainland japan: ![]() Minefields and defenses around Taiwan: ![]() Map at a high zoom level. ASW patrols and defenses at surabaya straight: ![]() Close up view of Saipan with approximate position of docked ships. ![]() Wake island with exact position of docked ships: ![]() Information overload: ![]() Saipan at medium zoom level: ![]() Australia: ![]()
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Very cool
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Wow. I've always wanted to be able to customize charts like this. Thank you so much for putting this together. Outstanding work.
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Incredible!
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Soundings.
I know water depth is shown by the color shading, but I'd like to see this converted to a contour type chart with actual soundings (based on the color shading is fine), in fathoms please. |
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I thought and read that most maps were very old charts and or gotten from library books. Basically, whatever they could get their hands on as far as maps.
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There are also more highres-versions but they make everything very slow, so I have stuck with a more blocky one.
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Whoa! This is big! I'm speechless.
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Honestly, I'm not sure where the data is stored in SH3/4, but water depth is one of the critical factors used in tactical planning. It can (obviously) have a huge impact on mission outcome. I think any type of bathymetry data would be fine, even some current day data as it would be expected to take soundings as necessary during the mission to avoid grounding. This is standard operating procedure today, and it was clearly identified as a procedure successful Commanding Officers such as Fluckey used on the Barb during his Namkwan harbor raid. The track chart on page 270 of Thunder Below! clearly shows the 10 and 20 fathom curves. This was a critical success factor in the Namkwan harbor raid. |
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I would find it useful too, I just don't have the figures and I don't know how to get them quickly. Besides, there are other sources for this type of data on the web, so feel free to send me a file with the exact color index, and I'll see to it to include it. No larger than 8192x4096 please.
Making a color index is even more difficult because I use transparency on the map, that distorts colors. It's not easy to produce an automatically generated map that is still readable, so my focus is on making the various information types distinguisheable, not as exact as possible. And before this gets discussed all geospatial layers will use current day data, there is no such thing as WWII GIS files. But thanks the point of this thread is to collect suggestions so I will put "exact color index" down under nice to have.
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I have a question. Atm I am working to incorporate moored ships in a useful way. My general aim is to present valuable intelligence information without giving the player a complete gods eye. Right now I cannot decide what is the best way to show docked ships.
Screenshot 1 shows a new polygon buffer method which reveals only an outline around the moorings, together the class of ships (merchnants, warships). So far this is my favorite, but it differs in many from the Sh3Gen approach. Screenshot 2 shows as ships as markers with a label, like in Sh3Gen. This is very informative, problem is this a bit too revealing - which does not fit well with the intelligence theme. An advantage is that the user can review the unit in a property window like the one in the screenshot. screenshot 3 shows both at the same time, thats also possible. Which one do you think is better? screen1: Saipan, outlines & ship class: ![]() screen2: Saipan, labeled markers (also shows property window): ![]() screen3 : Saipan, outline & labeled markers combined: ![]()
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Finally a comparison shot of the Saipan with a high resolution shoreline.
The problem is this is a large file (~157mb) and I am not sure if it's really worth it considering download size. Fortunately the TatukGIS viewer can display it without any noticeable performance hit, I must say this program keeps amazing me! ![]() This is tiny Wake Island in high res. That will be the maximum resolution that I can provide. ![]() For comparison, Wake in standard resolution: ![]()
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Link: http://www.virtualocean.org/ I'm not sure if this helps, or even how to integrate the data. It has a function to save the data as jpg and several other formats. Maybe this is useful? |
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I'd actually need something like this, but with information about the color index.
These images use grey values, so depth is probably a value between 0-255, which must still be multiplied with a constant factor.
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Doesn't the BIN file referenced at the link you provided and quoted below provide the necessary color information (I've bolded the relevant part) when combined with the image?
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