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CapnScurvy · 01-01-09, 11:31 AM

Well, I've spent some time going through various Vista help information, but I still haven't had luck in having a S3D modded .dat file to load in the game. I really feel there is something about Vista and the way it looks at files that is causing the problem.

On that note, I placed the S3D into a different file folder [other than "Program Files(x86)"], changed the S3D.exe compatibility back to having Vista control it (still have it set to run as an administrator).

I'm wondering about the CaptainRoom.dat file itself? Are there any "Properties" settings for this modded file that could be changed to make a difference? I'm no expert to Vista 64 and Skwas, you may not be either. But, I think we'll both be after trying to figure this out.

skwasjer · 01-01-09, 05:02 PM

I've been running Vista x64 myself for the past 1.5 years and S3D was developed on it so that is not the problem. S3D does not need to be run in compatibility mode, it's fully compatible with Vista. Also, admin rights are not needed, unless the game is installed in the <Program Files (x86)> folder.

Please upload a modded file that causes the problem for me. I will have a look at it then asap, check for differences vs stock file, and see if it CTD's on me as well.

I do know the CaptainRoom is a picky file. There are quite a few hardcoded references in there that can cause a CTD if they are modified.

01-01-09, 09:12 PM

When saveing any file with a mesh animation,
S3D is lopping off a few bytes.

I noticed this today while looking at the materials.dat
To verify, I opened Pescarus.dat
and saved it.

The two files do not match.

Hope that helps narrow down the problem.

Wolfehunter · 01-01-09, 09:30 PM

Happy new year Skwasjer.

For your Silent 3ditor I was wondering. Can I view or compare two or more dat, sim files side by side?:hmm:

I'm also using Vista 64 and runs fine.

01-01-09, 09:33 PM

Yes you can.

That's how I tracked down the missing bytes today.

Wolfehunter · 01-01-09, 09:35 PM

Thanks privateer. Now I have to figure how to do it. lol

01-01-09, 09:38 PM

open 1 file,
then select open from the files menu and open whatever you want.

If you want to compare the original file to the one you plan to edit,
you need 2 copies.

Wolfehunter · 01-01-09, 09:47 PM

Thanks yes I dragged and dropped the dat file onto the original one and it opened a new window.

I'm comparing the two files now...

I'm trying to see which will be transferred if possible...

What does File offset mean?

Also I've exported obj from one dat file and imported it to another. I've save it as and obj and loaded it as and obj and it worked. I see the mapping now is identical. Have I done it right? chunk size and data size don't match is that a bad thing?

skwasjer · 01-01-09, 10:46 PM

Yikes, unfortunately a conditional compiler statement (which excludes animation code as this is still being tested) causes this problem. I have it placed incorrectly, but it's an honest mistake that I didn't spot until after looking at it twice. I have not noticed it myself because the conditional code is enabled for me so the problem did not occur here... :/

I will issue a new release tomorrow that will fix this. Until then, don't use S3D to modify files with mesh animations, or get the previous version: [edit] Link removed, updated version posted...

I apologize for any inconvenience. I will be happy to fix any corrupted files.

Wolfehunter, don't worry too much about chunk and data size, but if you really want to know the data size should always be 12 less than chunk size.

Wolfehunter · 01-01-09, 11:16 PM

Okiedokie chief.

01-02-09, 12:26 AM

I always keep backups of all files so it's no trouble here.

I just stumbled across this problem today and when I
came here to post it for you I saw the other CTD report.

Hope it saved you some time and trouble.

SquareSteelBar · 01-02-09, 05:09 AM

Happy new year, skwas!

skwasjer · 01-02-09, 08:09 AM

Update posted:

http://sh4.skwas.net/changelog.aspx

[edit] privateer, thanks for the tip. I had done pretty much the same thing last night after CapnScurvy's report. I opened flags.dat and there I saw 8 bytes were dropped by S3D on that controller. It just took me a couple of scans over the code to see the problem, because it got a little messy over the past weeks...

CapnScurvy · 01-02-09, 09:27 AM

That was it!! Yeaaaaaaaaa!!!

The only point I was going to make, even an unchanged stock file in S3D once "saved" could not be opened within the game. Privateer's eagle eye in noticing the missing bytes on a save would have gone straight over my head. Thanks to both of you for finding the problem and releasing a corrected version in such a short period of time. S3D is such a splendid tool I knew an answer was just a posted question away.

Thanks again

polyfiller · 01-02-09, 01:04 PM

Skwasjer - you superstar !!! I've been struggling with trying to add nodes to the user playable Admiral Sheer.dat file (am trying to do away with the need for the coning tower files - to try and get the damage model working properly) ... and every time I made a change to the .DAT file with S3d v0.9.3 the game CTD when launching a mission. Downloaded v0.9.4, added a single node, loaded the mission ... and hey presto it worked. I can now get on with adding all the nodes I need.

Many many thanks for the pormpt release of this new version.

01-01-09, 05:02 PM	#887
skwasjer The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,547 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 3	I've been running Vista x64 myself for the past 1.5 years and S3D was developed on it so that is not the problem. S3D does not need to be run in compatibility mode, it's fully compatible with Vista. Also, admin rights are not needed, unless the game is installed in the <Program Files (x86)> folder. Please upload a modded file that causes the problem for me. I will have a look at it then asap, check for differences vs stock file, and see if it CTD's on me as well. I do know the CaptainRoom is a picky file. There are quite a few hardcoded references in there that can cause a CTD if they are modified. __________________ S3D - Silent 3ditor (v0.9.9) - S3D homepage - Open sourced S3D file parser API's - SUBSIM thread SH5 mods: Speech Recognition for SH5 \| Digital UI Clock Tutorials: [TEC] Import/export 3D models to/from game using S3D [TEC] How to work with the model viewer in S3D - VIDEO Last edited by skwasjer; 01-01-09 at 05:05 PM.

01-01-09, 09:30 PM	#889
Wolfehunter Crusty Capt. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,752 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 25	Happy new year Skwasjer. For your Silent 3ditor I was wondering. Can I view or compare two or more dat, sim files side by side?:hmm: I'm also using Vista 64 and runs fine. __________________

01-01-09, 09:35 PM	#891
Wolfehunter Crusty Capt. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,752 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 25	Thanks privateer. Now I have to figure how to do it. lol __________________

01-01-09, 09:47 PM	#893
Wolfehunter Crusty Capt. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,752 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 25	Thanks yes I dragged and dropped the dat file onto the original one and it opened a new window. I'm comparing the two files now... I'm trying to see which will be transferred if possible... What does File offset mean? Also I've exported obj from one dat file and imported it to another. I've save it as and obj and loaded it as and obj and it worked. I see the mapping now is identical. Have I done it right? chunk size and data size don't match is that a bad thing? __________________ Last edited by Wolfehunter; 01-01-09 at 10:14 PM.

01-01-09, 10:46 PM	#894
skwasjer The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,547 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 3	Yikes, unfortunately a conditional compiler statement (which excludes animation code as this is still being tested) causes this problem. I have it placed incorrectly, but it's an honest mistake that I didn't spot until after looking at it twice. I have not noticed it myself because the conditional code is enabled for me so the problem did not occur here... :/ I will issue a new release tomorrow that will fix this. Until then, don't use S3D to modify files with mesh animations, or get the previous version: [edit] Link removed, updated version posted... I apologize for any inconvenience. I will be happy to fix any corrupted files. Wolfehunter, don't worry too much about chunk and data size, but if you really want to know the data size should always be 12 less than chunk size. __________________ S3D - Silent 3ditor (v0.9.9) - S3D homepage - Open sourced S3D file parser API's - SUBSIM thread SH5 mods: Speech Recognition for SH5 \| Digital UI Clock Tutorials: [TEC] Import/export 3D models to/from game using S3D [TEC] How to work with the model viewer in S3D - VIDEO Last edited by skwasjer; 01-02-09 at 08:22 AM.

01-01-09, 09:12 PM	#888
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	When saveing any file with a mesh animation, S3D is lopping off a few bytes. I noticed this today while looking at the materials.dat To verify, I opened Pescarus.dat and saved it. The two files do not match. Hope that helps narrow down the problem.

01-01-09, 09:33 PM	#890
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Yes you can. That's how I tracked down the missing bytes today.

01-01-09, 09:38 PM	#892
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	open 1 file, then select open from the files menu and open whatever you want. If you want to compare the original file to the one you plan to edit, you need 2 copies.

01-01-09, 11:16 PM	#895
Wolfehunter Crusty Capt. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,752 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 25	Okiedokie chief. __________________

01-02-09, 12:26 AM	#896
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I always keep backups of all files so it's no trouble here. I just stumbled across this problem today and when I came here to post it for you I saw the other CTD report. Hope it saved you some time and trouble.

01-02-09, 05:09 AM	#897
SquareSteelBar Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: U-73 Posts: 1,638 Downloads: 618 Uploads: 0	Happy new year, skwas!

01-02-09, 08:09 AM	#898
skwasjer The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,547 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 3	Update posted: http://sh4.skwas.net/changelog.aspx [edit] privateer, thanks for the tip. I had done pretty much the same thing last night after CapnScurvy's report. I opened flags.dat and there I saw 8 bytes were dropped by S3D on that controller. It just took me a couple of scans over the code to see the problem, because it got a little messy over the past weeks... __________________ S3D - Silent 3ditor (v0.9.9) - S3D homepage - Open sourced S3D file parser API's - SUBSIM thread SH5 mods: Speech Recognition for SH5 \| Digital UI Clock Tutorials: [TEC] Import/export 3D models to/from game using S3D [TEC] How to work with the model viewer in S3D - VIDEO Last edited by skwasjer; 01-02-09 at 08:18 AM.

01-02-09, 01:04 PM	#900
polyfiller Weps Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 356 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Skwasjer - you superstar !!! I've been struggling with trying to add nodes to the user playable Admiral Sheer.dat file (am trying to do away with the need for the coning tower files - to try and get the damage model working properly) ... and every time I made a change to the .DAT file with S3d v0.9.3 the game CTD when launching a mission. Downloaded v0.9.4, added a single node, loaded the mission ... and hey presto it worked. I can now get on with adding all the nodes I need. Many many thanks for the pormpt release of this new version.