[REL] S3D - Silent 3ditor

[DeepIron]

Originally Posted by skwasjer

Oh, and plus UV-channels of course

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[Anvart]

Originally Posted by skwasjer

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I actually DO assign the proper UV-channels in most cases (you can check by looking at the file in notepad), but it resets the channels to 1 on import. I'm still not convinced the problem is with my export or with their Max-plugin. You can just change the channel index to 2, and then it renders ok...
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Excuse, but, IIUC, UV2 coordinates are lost in your export ... i think ...
More correctly to tell, Collada plug-in does not understand your export in this part ... ???
Because UV1 coord's == UV2 coord's ...

[skwasjer]

I don't know how familiar you are with the format, but the file is really correct on that part. I do admit immediately S3D exports DAT-models inefficiently (storing the same UV-coordinates for each map channel), but the UV-indexes however for each map channel are different. I could compress the file by removing the unused UV-coordinates in each channel, but this does not make the file 'more correct' from the file specification point-of-view. I will do this at some point, but it had no priority to me and made things only more complex...

I just think the problem is with the materials (specifically: nested multi materials), not with the way I store the different UV-channels and their indexes, but I may be wrong. Possibly it HAS been the problem all along and I should have not been so lazy leaving the compression out:rotfl:

You've given me some extra motive to figure this 'bug' out though. I'll keep investigating and working on it to see if I can fix this.
I can also analyze the Max-plugin source code to see if the problem lies there, or if there are workarounds. I may even submit a bugzilla report to FeelingSoftware if I think the problem is with the plugin.

To be continued

[edit] Test (nested) multi materials in Max on a sample model (a box), preferably with a diffuse, AO and spec map. Export it to DAE and reimport. Each time I tried, Max lost the map channel assignment in the material, but did import each UV-set (same as when importing a S3D exported model). I had to manually correct the material to have the model render correctly again. If you find otherwise, please send me a sample (Max/DAE file) so I can analyze it.

[Anvart]

Originally Posted by skwasjer

I don't know how familiar you are with the format, but the file is really correct on that part.
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Are you assured ...? lol
Yes, i am not familiar with Collada semantics ...
But I am able to read ...
And what i see ...?

[skwasjer]

Heh, I can only be sure of what I know. But S3D 'can' contain bugs, and apparently you've found one. This is something else to what I was talking about.

Anyway, the UV-coords 'can' be identical. That's not the problem. However, what apparently is missing in the export is another line:

<input semantic="TEXCOORD" source="#NSS_Balao_Propeller_R-mesh-map-channel2" offset="2" set="2" />

And the index table is missing indexes (like you said). I don't know why, but thanks for showing me. I'll fix this asap.

[Anvart]

Originally Posted by skwasjer

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Anyway, the UV-coords 'can' be identical. ...

In our case I do not understand what for ...

<input semantic="TEXCOORD" source="#NSS_Balao_Propeller_R-mesh-map-channel2" offset="2" set="2" />
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I tried to tell about it earlier...

P.S.
I see your answers...
I see in them sence of resentment (÷óâñòâî äîñàäû, íåäîâîëüñòâà) ... and i think, that it is better to me to keep silent ...

[skwasjer]

What the hell?

There is no resentment anywhere in my posts. I thought we were having a discussion. Your pre-last post was the post that showed me 'exactly' what you ment. This was not the exact same (though similar) thing I thought you were talking about. So I responded (maybe with an incorrect answer to your case, but still), and thanked you multiple times for pointing out a bug/issue.

I can't do right with you, ever, can I? Jeez... (this IS resentment)

[DrBeast]

Language barriers are pretty hard to overcome, sometimes.

[Anvart]

Originally Posted by DrBeast

Language barriers are pretty hard to overcome, sometimes.

:rotfl:
Yes, of course ...
I think something one, write something another and Skwasjer reads and understands something the third ...
and Skwasjer writes something one and I read and understand something another ...

[UBOAT234]

Hi Skwasjer,
for
Work in progress/planned...
Add model preview window, also for nodes points?

Many thanks for all your work

[wetwarev7]

Was wondering if anyone has tried to use this version of Silent 3ditor to edit cameras.dat, with SH4 1.5.

I have been pulling my hair out trying to make some changes and it is driving me nuts.

Basically, some of the changes I'm making appear to have non-sensical results. For instance, if I make an alteration to Dummy_Cam_ConningDeck(an exterior camera), it will affect most of the interior cameras as well. Or with others, changes I make that should work(such as rotation restrictions) do not affect the camera at all in-game.

After two days of playing around with all this I am wondering if Silent 3ditor is not saving the file correctly and changes I make to one area are getting written somewhere else.

OR maybe I just don't understand the ID generation process. I make a new ID for any chunks I add in with the ID generator - maybe I'm missing something with that?(Seems straightforward enough, make a new number, cut and paste it into the box)

OR possibly that the SH4 executable ignores large portions of cameras.dat or SOMETHING.

I have even attempted to recreate someone elses work(older version of cameras.dat, but I've gone through nearly line by line and it appears to be identical. Also this older version file works fine in this version of SH4), copying line by line, and I get drastically different results.

I'm hoping someone can give me an idea as to what I'm doing wrong, or tell me it's not me it's the 3ditor :p

[skwasjer]

Originally Posted by UBOAT234

Work in progress/planned...
Add model preview window, also for nodes points?

Maybe. It's on my private todo list for a long time, but it will depend mostly on if I have time. When model import is done I am going to take a break for a while first, and focus on some ingame work + another program...

Originally Posted by wetwarev7

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Send me both files (the old one that seems to work, and the new one you made). I can then compare the files myself. And if you can tell me what exact results you aim for, that would help. But truth be told, there are a few mods out there that use modified cameras.dat-files made with S3D, and I haven't had any problems reported with them...

As far as making new id's, you've got that right. Just generate, copy&paste...

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

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I'll see what I can do. I just use a standard DirectX-type for it (Vector2) which has a X/Y field. I will have to change the type to a custom type then.

[USS Sea Tiger]

Hello

I ave a Ath 64 x2 duel core processwer 4200.

I tried updating the direct x with the 64,, no luck ,, it will not run, but the 32 did run quite nicely, yet I still cannot get 7s3d to run. My direct x is correct, 9a

any suggestions??

[skwasjer]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

... unless there's dozens of descriptions that need the same fix :hmm:

This, I don't know. We'll see, it's not an important change, but still convenient.

@USS Sea Tiger: Please tell me what error message you get (if any).

You need DirectX 9.0c (which you already have by installing the game), but with some extensions which are not installed by most games. You therefor must run the DirectX web installer once.

And, like Mikhayl says, the .NET Framework 2.0 is required. Links are available on my download page per the link he provided.

[USS Sea Tiger]

after verifying, I stat the direct x file,, it stops nearly immediatly when it does not find certain .dll files. I am thinking it must be some upgrade to the Direct x9

any ideas?