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BlueJ · 03-10-10, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ships-R-Us

The only thing that matters in all this poop is "what is". There is offline play, and Ubisoft will abandon the DRM thing. The current offline play thing will even be perfected eventually..........Christ Almighty it has not been even a week and progress is being made toward the arena of player independance. Indepedance from Ubisoft is absolutely inevitable regardless of how and where it came about............

There already is:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...76&postcount=1

Happy times:
http://xs.to/image-CFC7_4B971C71.jpg

Meanwhile....

Eurogamer Review
Silent Hunter 5

Das booted off the server

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/si...unter-5-review

609_Avatar · 03-10-10, 10:36 AM

All I can say about all of this is I'm really glad I haven't bought the game. I'm on the fence about some of the choices made for this version and quite happy about others. The over whelming majority of those that say they like it is because of its "potential" and not because of what it is now. Saying that's just the way it is because 3 & 4 were that way does not make it any more palatable at all and is just a sad statement of what we have come to accept. I won't purchase and support the DRM scheme chosen but if this is true (and I have no way of knowing either way and am not calling you in to question about it):

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Originally Posted by BlueJ

There already is:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...76&postcount=1

that is just incredibly sad. Pirates get to "enjoy" the game when legit buyers can't. Also, imagine the poor sod who is new to this genre, and whom UBI has claimed to focus this release on, when they try to play this game in the state it is in... they have no clue about sites like this or that it can be modded or how to even implement mods. Do you honestly think they will come away with a positive impression of this type of game and this series in general? I don't, and I think that hurts the future of this series more than people like myself who have taken a stand against supporting OSP or even the pirates that hack the game. So in my mind, the only ones that are ultimately at fault for the fate of the game is Ubisoft because they have targeted the game towards the casual player but then give no adequate means of educating them on how to play the game (this all based on the reviews I have read to date) and released the game with too many bugs that the casual gamer will just not put up with, unlike the sort of folks who frequent sites like this and can be patient for modders to help fix things. Add to their frustration of having to deal with the OSP issues that are now at hand and you have an extremely negative imagine of the game and the company that released it. Great way to expand the game to the masses...

and I see that as the main reason for its' ultimate demise, if that does in fact come to pass.

darkone999 · 03-10-10, 10:55 AM

Posted Mon March 08 2010 14:59(cut and past from my post on ubi offical site)

I will not buy this game until the "DRM" is removed.You will never own this game "ever" outright if an internet connection is always needed to play..That means you will pay to play this game forever..let alone the privacy issues that come to mind.. After all no server is secure and thay do get overloaded and "hacked and attacked"..Who is going to pay me back when EA or ubi servers are down and I cant play a game "I paid for"..mabey I will "sue" comcast cable if my internet goes down and I cant play my game "I Bought" ..I do live where there is tornados every summer..Oh and I guess I cant play at my cabin because "I dont have no damn internet connection there"..Can you say class action lawsuit in the future..I see it comeing with alot of the newer games having internet connection required..Someone is going to get feed up and get a Lawyer..After all a connection to the internet is a luxery not a need...Just to add ubi staff I bought SH3 and SH4 but wont buy SH5 until DRM is removed..

Tim

darkone999 · 03-10-10, 11:28 AM

Here a good point made posted by "cassieD" from another site.. cudos to him/her for a good point

"I already disapproved of DRM tactics such as limiting the amount of activations, but this goes clearly over the line. I like my privacy. I don't see why Ubisoft needs to be aware of how I spend my time by monitoring every single minute I spend on a specific game. World of warcraft and other mmos actually need to know I'm playing. But a single player game? Are you kidding me? And they dare state in their Online Services Platform that they respect the player's privacy."

from link posted by (robbo180265)

Tim

oscar19681 · 03-11-10, 06:40 AM

What i dont understand is why UBI didnt go for a dongle for anti piracy insted of DRM? I have steel beasts pro and it has this dongle setup. here is how it works. You install the game and a small software program for the dongle. Plug in the dongle in the usb port . When you start the game the program checks if there,s a dongle inserted and the game starts. No dongle? no play! Its teh most waterproof software protection i know off and not at all a hastle.

Fincuan · 03-11-10, 06:58 AM

Aye, unlike Ubi's miserable attempt the SBP dongle hasn't been cracked as far as I know. On top of that it doesn't boot you out of the game if their servers go down, so what's not to like?

sofie_59 · 03-11-10, 07:00 AM

Stated in another post,that the price will go up ca 30-50 $
Se the price for Steel beasts is 125$ with the dongle

Darkreaver1980 · 03-11-10, 07:01 AM

Simple Answer:

To Expensive

The game would atleast cost 15$-25$ more. Steel beasts which uses the dongle protection cost allmost 125$

shearerc · 03-11-10, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oscar19681

When you start the game the program checks if there,s a dongle inserted and the game starts.

Can't that be cracked as well? I mean, the crackers could modify the program so that regardless the result of the check, the game proceeds.

RSColonel_131st · 03-11-10, 07:10 AM

Nope, I think core parts of the program are encrypted on the dongle and if it's not present, no program.

But as others have said - too expensive for a single game solution.

However, the Dongle used by SB2PE is actually multi-license cabable, you can download additional licenses do it, and a dongle can even "serve" a license over network.

So in theory, if everyone had a dongle like SB2PE as a one-time purchase, and there was an agreement from most publishers to "standardize" on this dongle solution, it would be VERY cost effective. You could buy games online, download them, add the license to the dongle and play them offline. Or buy games offline on disk, with a license serial included.

AND in theory these licenses could be even stored "remote" so in case you don't want to use the dongle, it should be possible to have a "check at startup" over internet to the central license manager server.

The basic idea seems really simple: Secure storage for licenses on an offline hardware that can not be copied, or the option to run online without this hardware.

Problem is, if this went to such a scale, there would be much more incentive for pirates to crack it, and even Dongles are not secure.

tommyk · 03-11-10, 07:12 AM

You could resell the game or use it as long as you like, even after years (when the sh5-servers are long gone), the dongle will still work... Not good for migrating you to SH6...

Seeadler · 03-11-10, 07:16 AM

CodeMeter price list
http://www.wibu.com/files/marketing/...ick-EN-Low.pdf

goldorak · 03-11-10, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oscar19681

What i dont understand is why UBI didnt go for a dongle for anti piracy insted of DRM? I have steel beasts pro and it has this dongle setup. here is how it works. You install the game and a small software program for the dongle. Plug in the dongle in the usb port . When you start the game the program checks if there,s a dongle inserted and the game starts. No dongle? no play! Its teh most waterproof software protection i know off and not at all a hastle.

Have you seen the price of SB Pro and that of SH 5 ?
There is your answer.

Mud · 03-11-10, 07:25 AM

Ubi ´85% might lose their dongle but we know that 90% have a stable internet connection ... if the OSP is working we´ll consider to get a stable internet connection too `

gutted · 03-11-10, 07:26 AM

Not to burst your bubbles, but dongles have been cracked.

Their just needs to be enough demand for the crackers to put forth the effort. A very expensive (& popular program) that uses one was cracked. They reverse engineered the dongle, and made a system tray app that emulates it.

Just saying.

Though, I doubt anyone would waste their time on such a feat for a measly 50 dollar game though.

03-10-10, 10:55 AM	#363
darkone999 Sailor man Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 50 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	DRM is BAD Posted Mon March 08 2010 14:59(cut and past from my post on ubi offical site) I will not buy this game until the "DRM" is removed.You will never own this game "ever" outright if an internet connection is always needed to play..That means you will pay to play this game forever..let alone the privacy issues that come to mind.. After all no server is secure and thay do get overloaded and "hacked and attacked"..Who is going to pay me back when EA or ubi servers are down and I cant play a game "I paid for"..mabey I will "sue" comcast cable if my internet goes down and I cant play my game "I Bought" ..I do live where there is tornados every summer..Oh and I guess I cant play at my cabin because "I dont have no damn internet connection there"..Can you say class action lawsuit in the future..I see it comeing with alot of the newer games having internet connection required..Someone is going to get feed up and get a Lawyer..After all a connection to the internet is a luxery not a need...Just to add ubi staff I bought SH3 and SH4 but wont buy SH5 until DRM is removed.. Tim

03-10-10, 11:28 AM	#364
darkone999 Sailor man Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Indiana Posts: 50 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	good pint Here a good point made posted by "cassieD" from another site.. cudos to him/her for a good point "I already disapproved of DRM tactics such as limiting the amount of activations, but this goes clearly over the line. I like my privacy. I don't see why Ubisoft needs to be aware of how I spend my time by monitoring every single minute I spend on a specific game. World of warcraft and other mmos actually need to know I'm playing. But a single player game? Are you kidding me? And they dare state in their Online Services Platform that they respect the player's privacy." from link posted by (robbo180265) Tim

03-11-10, 06:40 AM	#365
oscar19681 Admiral Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	Why not a dongle insted of drm? What i dont understand is why UBI didnt go for a dongle for anti piracy insted of DRM? I have steel beasts pro and it has this dongle setup. here is how it works. You install the game and a small software program for the dongle. Plug in the dongle in the usb port . When you start the game the program checks if there,s a dongle inserted and the game starts. No dongle? no play! Its teh most waterproof software protection i know off and not at all a hastle. __________________ we live we die but death does not ends it. Jim Morrison 1943-1971

03-11-10, 07:01 AM	#368
Darkreaver1980 Loader Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 83 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Simple Answer: To Expensive The game would atleast cost 15$-25$ more. Steel beasts which uses the dongle protection cost allmost 125$ __________________ SH 5 mods: Critical hits for torpedos Critical hits for deckgun

03-11-10, 07:12 AM	#371
tommyk Watch Officer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Near U-995 (Kiel, Germany) Posts: 337 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	You could resell the game or use it as long as you like, even after years (when the sh5-servers are long gone), the dongle will still work... Not good for migrating you to SH6... __________________ Gute Jagd und fette Beute!

03-11-10, 06:58 AM	#366
Fincuan Admiral Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Suomi, sauna, puukko, perkele Posts: 2,346 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Aye, unlike Ubi's miserable attempt the SBP dongle hasn't been cracked as far as I know. On top of that it doesn't boot you out of the game if their servers go down, so what's not to like?

03-11-10, 07:00 AM	#367
sofie_59 Bosun Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 63 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Stated in another post,that the price will go up ca 30-50 $ Se the price for Steel beasts is 125$ with the dongle

03-11-10, 07:10 AM	#370
RSColonel_131st Medic Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 164 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Nope, I think core parts of the program are encrypted on the dongle and if it's not present, no program. But as others have said - too expensive for a single game solution. However, the Dongle used by SB2PE is actually multi-license cabable, you can download additional licenses do it, and a dongle can even "serve" a license over network. So in theory, if everyone had a dongle like SB2PE as a one-time purchase, and there was an agreement from most publishers to "standardize" on this dongle solution, it would be VERY cost effective. You could buy games online, download them, add the license to the dongle and play them offline. Or buy games offline on disk, with a license serial included. AND in theory these licenses could be even stored "remote" so in case you don't want to use the dongle, it should be possible to have a "check at startup" over internet to the central license manager server. The basic idea seems really simple: Secure storage for licenses on an offline hardware that can not be copied, or the option to run online without this hardware. Problem is, if this went to such a scale, there would be much more incentive for pirates to crack it, and even Dongles are not secure.

03-11-10, 07:16 AM	#372
Seeadler Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 1,096 Downloads: 169 Uploads: 0	CodeMeter price list http://www.wibu.com/files/marketing/...ick-EN-Low.pdf

03-11-10, 07:25 AM	#374
Mud Captain Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 541 Downloads: 50 Uploads: 0	Ubi ´85% might lose their dongle but we know that 90% have a stable internet connection ... if the OSP is working we´ll consider to get a stable internet connection too ` __________________

03-11-10, 07:26 AM	#375
gutted The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Orleans, LA. Posts: 1,379 Downloads: 487 Uploads: 11	Not to burst your bubbles, but dongles have been cracked. Their just needs to be enough demand for the crackers to put forth the effort. A very expensive (& popular program) that uses one was cracked. They reverse engineered the dongle, and made a system tray app that emulates it. Just saying. Though, I doubt anyone would waste their time on such a feat for a measly 50 dollar game though. __________________ Solution Solver 2.3.2 - Visual Targeting Tools & Aids