Schools fingerprinting students without consent

[SUBMAN1]

Whats with all the fingerprinting BS going on lately?


-S

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10...rprint_action/


Parents prepare to sue fingerprint grabbers

Schools to be challenged over biometrics

[tycho102]

You know, that's something that always pisses me off.

I got fingerprinted about 3 times before 6th grade was complete. I got fingerprinted for my driver's license, my pilot's license, my concealed permit, before boot-camp, after boot-camp. I literally have a couple unique set of prints in every governmental jurisdiction -- local, state, federal.

Not once! Not one god damn time has anyone ever said: "Oh, wait. My bad. You're already in the system, dude. Let me just get these bitmaps associated with your form and you're good to go."

As for the kids, their prints significantly change every couple years, as well as their dental records. It should be required for enrollment that you've got prints on record with the local police station.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by tycho102

You know, that's something that always pisses me off.

I got fingerprinted about 3 times before 6th grade was complete. I got fingerprinted for my driver's license, my pilot's license, my concealed permit, before boot-camp, after boot-camp. I literally have a couple unique set of prints in every governmental jurisdiction -- local, state, federal.

Not once! Not one god damn time has anyone ever said: "Oh, wait. My bad. You're already in the system, dude. Let me just get these bitmaps associated with your form and you're good to go."

As for the kids, their prints significantly change every couple years, as well as their dental records. It should be required for enrollment that you've got prints on record with the local police station.

Am I hearing you right in that you think this is OK and normal? Or is this a joke?

-S

[STEED]

No joke here in the U.K. this is happening now all part of the present Labour Government trying to push the ID Card on all of us, they come out with the usual rubbish it will stop terrorist and immigrants and so on. It's all crap and as for fingerprinting school children I am lost for words. England is becoming more like a police state and Big Brother is enjoying every moment of it.

[ASWnut101]

Thats probably the dumbest thing ive heard. what good does it do? I would not let them take my prints if they randomly approach me, they just CAN'T, its our legal right. They could have at least notified the parents. Shame....

[Kapitan]

I made my teachers lives hell on earth when ever they tried to search me, they would come to me and randomly say ok open your bag i want to look inside, then id just turn around and say "You have no right to search my bag" when they said yes i do im a teacher i quickly jumped in and said "i want a police man present, as you do not have the authority to search my bag or belonging's if you try and force me to open it then i will make an offical complaint to the education authority"

Then normaly they grumbled and walked off, one teacher didnt think id have the balls to go through with it, he later found out why not to piss me off, because i did go to the education authority and did make a complaint and he was suspended and when i said im going to the papers they sacked him.

It just made the teachers all stop and realise that i dont make idle threats, if i say it or promise it i do it.

So they wont get finger prints out of me without a copper being there end of, and if they do try and take them without consent then i will be sueing for invasion of privacy and something else i cant remember and then i can force them to destroy or erase any fingerprints they have of me.

its great having a good barrister

[STEED]

Here's one I saw.

High-tech school security is on the rise
By Greg Toppo, USA TODAY

Each morning, the 16,000 students in the Spring Independent School District in suburban Houston swipe their ID tags as they climb onto the school bus. A radio frequency tag tracks them, as it does when they arrive at school and as they leave the building.
Nearly 1,000 cameras watch them all day. Every visitor — parents, volunteers, the guy who fills the Coke machine — must surrender his or her driver's license to a secretary who checks it against a national database of sex offenders. This fall, nearly one in three schools literally trap visitors inside a "secure vestibule," a bulletproof glass room, until they're checked out.
Welcome to the brave new world of school security. In an era when deadly school shootings seem to happen like clockwork, schools are hardening up, trying unconventional means to deter violence and keep track of students and adults.
President Bush convenes a school safety summit today in response to a spate of shootings. But schools have long been beefing up security — often in the face of diminishing funding — creating "crisis plans" and investing millions in systems they hope will deter the next deadly incident.
"If somebody's really determined to get into a school and they have a high enough caliber weapon, they're going to get in," says Alan Bragg, chief of Spring's school police. But ID checks and the like are "a huge deterrent" to most would-be criminals.
And though shootings like those at Columbine High School in 1999 prompted schools to be on the lookout for violent students, safety experts say kidnapping and molestation cases also have forced them to pay attention to adults on campus.
Florida and California now require criminal background checks for anyone working or regularly visiting a school.
"People need to realize that the day of the open campus is changing," says Allan Measom, CEO of Raptor Technologies, a Houston firm that sells the visitor tracking system that Spring uses.
Schools in 19 states use it to stop registered sex offenders at the front desk. Since the school year began, Measom says, it has ID'd more than 100 offenders, about seven a day. States lost track of about 20 who fled without telling police.
Raptor actually was born from the collapse of Enron. Measom's firm had built a Web-based system to track visitors at the Houston energy company, but when Enron, amid financial scandal, went belly-up in 2002, Measom and a partner adapted the technology.
They're now in 2,020 schools in 212 districts. After an initial investment of $1,500, schools pay $432 a year to access the system.
Schools — most often it's the secretaries at the front desk — scan a visitor's driver's license. The system transmits the visitor's name, date of birth and photo to Raptor. If the data match those of someone in the sex offender registry, Raptor e-mails the arrest photo to the school, lining it up next to the driver's license photo. An onscreen prompt asks: "Is this the person registering?"
If the photos match and the secretary clicks "Yes," police get an e-mail or text message. In most cases, the visitor — often a parent — may simply get restricted access. Many offenders have been stopped from working or volunteering at schools, and in a few cases, police have tracked down offenders and arrested them.
More schools may get the technology soon; the U.S. Justice Department recently chose Raptor as a pilot program for schools nationwide.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/educati...security_x.htm

And this sort of thing is starting to show it's self here too.

[TteFAboB]

This will work really well with the electronic voting machines that identify the voter by his fingerprint. Safe and reliable.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by TteFAboB

This will work really well with the electronic voting machines that identify the voter by his fingerprint. Safe and reliable.

From The Prisoner Episode 5
From the fingerprint security scene

No.2 "Full proof"

No.6 "The trouble with science is it can be perverted"

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by STEED

From The Prisoner Episode 5
From the fingerprint security scene

No.2 "Full proof"

No.6 "The trouble with science is it can be perverted"

"You can make it foolproof, but you can't make it damnfoolproof"-Robert A. Heinlein

I have a friend who fought tooth and nail to keep his kids from having to get social security cards until they were old enough to make that decision on their own. Every time a school or SS official said "It's required by law" he countered with "Show me the law that says that". They never could.

[Hylander_1314]

That's because there isn't one.

The old saying, if you tell someone a lie long enough, they will believe it to be true.

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by Hylander_1314

That's because there isn't one.

The old saying, if you tell someone a lie long enough, they will believe it to be true.

Said by Hitler's propaganda minister ?:hmm: Or todays goverment controlled press.

[TteFAboB]

Steve that's precisely my case. I've delayed it for as long as I could, my old enough decision was "No thanks".

[The Noob]

Thanks God that we in austria have not invented such BS Jet. (For you STEED. )

We are so backwards that it's hard to get a Internet here, so it will take a couple of years until PC Big Brother Madness reaches us.

My fingerprints are not in any system, and it's gonna stay this way. *Digs Foxhole in the Woods*

I was always against such things, even in my shool time with 8, where everyone else did not care.

And yes, i have stuff to hide. Nothing Major, but some stuff i don't want everyone to know about. *Gets Proxy*

If they start the "Chip Everyone!" madness i will go nuts. Don't wonder if you read "Young Crazy fella beaten up Chipin' Office". My Animals have no Chips, and it is going to stay this way. If i violate a law by it, then i'm gonna violate this law. I don't care for such Nazi-Alike Laws justified by "War on Terror" or whatever excuse they are going to find for it.

My 2 cents about big brother.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by The Noob

Thanks God that we in austria have not invented such BS Jet. (For you STEED. )

LOL