Russian subs sinking Swedes

Warmonger · 10-06-06, 08:18 PM

I've browsed a bit through several sub sites on the net, including one about Soviet subs and their successes. What puzzled me was that they sunk quite a number of Swedish ships on their patrols.
Sweden was neutral and never in a state of war with SU so how are the high losses explained or justified? Anyone got some knowledge on that?

Hybris · 10-06-06, 09:20 PM

Russian target practice perhaps?:rotfl:

bigboywooly · 10-06-06, 10:42 PM

They are not the only ones

Greece and Belgium were neutral till 1940

BDU report Oct 39
12.10

U 35 entered port. She sank:
1)English trawler "Arlita" 325 tons
2) " " "Lord Minto" 285 tons
3)a freighter from a convoy 9,000 tons
4)the Belgian S.S. "Suzen" 2,239 tons
5)the Greek S.S. "Diamantis" 4,990 tons

16,839 tons

November 39
8.11
U 28 sailed for her operations area (Operations Order No. 10).

U 37 entered port. She sank:

1)S.S. Vistula 1,018 tons Swedish
2)S.S. Asis 4,810 tons Greek
3)S.S. Vermont 5,186 tons French
4)S.S. Yorkshire 10,183 tons English
5)S.S. Menin Ridge 2,474 tons
"6)S.S. Ledbury 3,528 tons
"7)S.S. Tafna 4,413 tons
"8)S.S. Thrasyroulos 3,693 tons Greek

Total 35,305 tons.
http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDUKTB.htm

LZ_Baker · 10-06-06, 11:57 PM

Maybe they got sunk because they were in an enemy port?

Safe-Keeper · 10-07-06, 12:08 AM

Sweden did help both Axis and Allies, so she was not exactly "neutral" as such. Speaking of fighting Swedes, there were also some skirmishes between Swedish and German soldiers at the Norwegian-Swedish border.

So it was not exactly "neutral" as in "not helping anyone and totally left alone".

Warmonger · 10-07-06, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Sweden did help both Axis and Allies, so she was not exactly "neutral" as such. Speaking of fighting Swedes, there were also some skirmishes between Swedish and German soldiers at the Norwegian-Swedish border.

So it was not exactly "neutral" as in "not helping anyone and totally left alone".

Well the point is whether you're politically neutral or not. And German subs, especially early in the war, operated under very strict regulations concerning neutrals.

TteFAboB · 10-07-06, 12:54 PM

Trigger-happy captains.

Hybris · 10-07-06, 10:42 PM

Gulity as hell!

Saukko · 10-08-06, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TteFAboB

Trigger-happy captains.

Yeah, I can easily imagine uncle Joe demanding more sinkings, and threatening to put the captains in torpedo tubes.

During Cold War Sweden often chased suspected soviet submarines in their waters, one even run aground.

Aircraft spotted!

snowsub · 10-08-06, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Saukko

Aircraft spotted!

Bernard!!!!!

Linton · 10-08-06, 05:51 AM

Whiskey on the rocks:http://compunews.com/s139/sp2.htm

Ola Tunander's view on submarine intrusions:http://php.dev.isn.ch/research/AreaS...s/Tunander.htm

Yahoshua · 10-08-06, 10:27 AM

"Oops" is never a good thing to hear.

10-06-06, 08:18 PM	#1
Warmonger Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 266 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Russian subs sinking Swedes I've browsed a bit through several sub sites on the net, including one about Soviet subs and their successes. What puzzled me was that they sunk quite a number of Swedish ships on their patrols. Sweden was neutral and never in a state of war with SU so how are the high losses explained or justified? Anyone got some knowledge on that?

10-06-06, 09:20 PM	#2
Hybris Officer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Periscope Depth... Posts: 237 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Russian target practice perhaps?:rotfl: __________________ "His masters voice!" "FASTER! FAAAASSSTTER!" "All submariners have one universal wish regardless of nation, cause, or creed. That wish is that the boat goes up and stay up one more time then it goes down." ~Hybris 8/22/07

10-06-06, 10:42 PM	#3
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	They are not the only ones Greece and Belgium were neutral till 1940 BDU report Oct 39 12.10 U 35 entered port. She sank: 1)English trawler "Arlita" 325 tons 2) " " "Lord Minto" 285 tons 3)a freighter from a convoy 9,000 tons 4)the Belgian S.S. "Suzen" 2,239 tons 5)the Greek S.S. "Diamantis" 4,990 tons 16,839 tons November 39 8.11 U 28 sailed for her operations area (Operations Order No. 10). U 37 entered port. She sank: 1)S.S. Vistula 1,018 tons Swedish 2)S.S. Asis 4,810 tons Greek 3)S.S. Vermont 5,186 tons French 4)S.S. Yorkshire 10,183 tons English 5)S.S. Menin Ridge 2,474 tons "6)S.S. Ledbury 3,528 tons "7)S.S. Tafna 4,413 tons "8)S.S. Thrasyroulos 3,693 tons Greek Total 35,305 tons. http://www.uboatarchive.net/BDUKTB.htm __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

10-06-06, 11:57 PM	#4
LZ_Baker Engineer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 213 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	Maybe they got sunk because they were in an enemy port? __________________

10-07-06, 12:08 AM	#5
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Sweden did help both Axis and Allies, so she was not exactly "neutral" as such. Speaking of fighting Swedes, there were also some skirmishes between Swedish and German soldiers at the Norwegian-Swedish border. So it was not exactly "neutral" as in "not helping anyone and totally left alone". __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

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TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Trigger-happy captains. __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

10-07-06, 10:42 PM	#8
Hybris Officer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Periscope Depth... Posts: 237 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Gulity as hell! __________________ "His masters voice!" "FASTER! FAAAASSSTTER!" "All submariners have one universal wish regardless of nation, cause, or creed. That wish is that the boat goes up and stay up one more time then it goes down." ~Hybris 8/22/07

10-08-06, 05:51 AM	#11
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10-08-06, 10:27 AM	#12
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	"Oops" is never a good thing to hear. __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua