What happened to this forum?

[SimNut]

I sure liked the old modders forum better. People shared ideas and helped each other. Everyone got to be a part of it.

Now people announce "wow OUR latest feature" and spam forums for weeks before a release with each and every feature like it's some scientific discovery only to be shared with superpowers, lest the little people or other team find out the truth.

Hopefully when these guys are done hosing each other down with virtual testosterone, the old modders forum will return.

The one where it was actually a forum, a community, and not a continual pissing contest. Go out in the hall, unzip your flys and get it over with. Whoever has the longest mod wins.

For all you've done, you've also done just as much damage splitting the camps and making everything a petty little secret. Give it some thought. The sharing of ideas has been stifled by this BS long enough.

After SH4 are you going down the same path? There will only be 2 mods and a boatload of secrets that the "community" can't/won't share because of two bruised egos?

Children in my house get punished for acting like this.

While seeing the (really only slightly...) splitted community, I must admit that the 'scheme of events' is all but new to me (or anyone involved in the electronic gaming scene).

First there's a good game, then there are a few (free) mods, then a lot of them, then someone steps in making a mod pack, which is refined over time. Modpack A alerts someone other to do Modpack B - and because it's inherent in the common routings of human feelings NOT to accept parallelity and versatility, someone other starts the dissing...Ah...I forgot the 'bad guys' stepping in, stealing all previously free work of others and selling it.

I've seen this the last time before SH3 with Falcon 4, I've learned a lot. Nothing to really worry about. Iit's just about history repeating itself - and about humans being...humans

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by terrapin

While seeing the (really only slightly...) splitted community,

More goes on unseen. Neals pretty good at keeping a lid on the real drama.

Me too ...as I said: Nothing to really worry about.

[Ducimus]

Heh, well id be lying if i said i wasnt holding a grudge myself. The factional split is very keen on my mind, and i honestly didnt take sides in it tell some event past drove me over the edge and i joined the GW team for awhile as a result out of shear anger. Took a long break cause RL demanded more of my time, came back to SH3 and resigned from the team. I want to focus on just improving my own game while im intrested in it again for a limited time.

It's funny though, even taking a break, i still harbor ill feelings. It's like this festering wound that will never heal. I could be mistaken but im sure theres a few others with similar feelings. For the most part folks are good at keeping their gripes to themselves. But you will see subtle digs or snide remarks crop up now and then in miscs posts. Subtley was never one of my strongpoints on subsim. I can honestly say thoguh, that the griping in private forums (at least whilst i was active in them) was unbridled, uncensored, full of angst, and oddly theraputic .

But to sum, it's bad enough i stir the pot occasionally, i'd rather others didn't jump on the bandwagon. Things are what they are, and they'll never change. May as well just accept it, but it doesnt mean you have to like it. I know personnaly ill never let go of this grudge until something specific happens, but i know it never will. Thesedays im content to play in my own modding sandbox, fixing my own game.

[Immacolata]

People just worry to damn much. Most of it is started by hide-behind-your-momma's-skirts fanboys who think its okay to take potshots at the "enemy" and before you know it, the modders supposedly are at war and will go for the jugular at first opportunity. To the mod'ers great surprise as well.

I've been a mod drama queen too in my younger days. It just ain't worth it. Take the mods, play them, give your vocal or monetary support for the developer and refrain from fanboyism.

Ducimus, I am sure whatever grudge you hold is probably about hurt pride, about taking things one step too serious and then you can't back down. It is a matter of hobby pixels and spare time. Not worth getting worked up over to that extent.

[Ducimus]

Well, i dunno. Alot's ticked me off, but if i was to boil the fat away - My grudge is primary about chastizing my work, downplaying it like i was smoking crack when i did it, and then turning around and using the results of my work in a well known and published mod. I dont think i got any credit for said work, not even so much as an apology. Then using some more of my work, and again, not one peep about who did the original mod, and again no apology. Mix in a total lack of humilty and a good dash of snootiness from the offending person, and it makes for a pretty good grudge.

Anyway, i talk to much, im shutting up now. Captain Morgan and coke has a tendency of loosening my lips. I;ll probalby regret writing the above in the morning, but oh well, there is one thing i am not, and its a liar. I never lie, and i wont compromise my principles.

[LGN1]

I must confess I am also a little bit disappointed. I have played and I still play many of the 'super mods' and I enjoy them. However, none really fits my taste completely. Thus, I mod them by myself. In fact, I like to mod things and understand how things are done. But this gets harder and harder since people here often do not really state how they have done something but just 'Here is the mod, it does this and that', use it like it is or leave it.

I know many have spent much effort in creating mods and finding things out and thus want to be 'honored' accordingly (just a normal human thing) but I don't really understand why people do not want to share their knowledge. This does not really fit in my understanding of a community.

@ Ducimus: Probably you have good reasons to be really angry but for me it is a little bit strange that you point out that there is an error in their mod which may result in a CTD but do not explain where. If you don't want to help them then just say nothing, but saying there is a bug without correcting it is a little bit odd. Just for the normal users it would be nice if you could 'jump over your shadow' and help. Sorry, I don't want to and I don't have the right to criticize you, but these are just my thoughts.

Anyway, I hope people will become a little bit more cooperative again and the mod forum will be more again than a 'mod presentation forum'.

Cheers, LGN1

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by LGN1

I must confess I am also a little bit disappointed. I have played and I still play many of the 'super mods' and I enjoy them. However, none really fits my taste completely. Thus, I mod them by myself. In fact, I like to mod things and understand how things are done.

You sir, are my twin.

Originally Posted by LGN1

But this gets harder and harder since people here often do not really state how they have done something but just 'Here is the mod, it does this and that', use it like it is or leave it.
I know many have spent much effort in creating mods and finding things out and thus want to be 'honored' accordingly (just a normal human thing) but I don't really understand why people do not want to share their knowledge. This does not really fit in my understanding of a community.

If this is rampant, its because the two supermods are competing. They're trying to out do each other, there not going to post info on how they did stuff (at least the newer stuff) because they dont want the other guy ripping them off and taking the credit.

Originally Posted by LGN1

@ Ducimus: Probably you have good reasons to be really angry but for me it is a little bit strange that you point out that there is an error in their mod which may result in a CTD but do not explain where. If you don't want to help them then just say nothing, but saying there is a bug without correcting it is a little bit odd.

Ill be honest, it was a blantant dig at DTB to piss him off. He touts his stuff as well and throughly tested, and has had the cahonies to insinuate others don't test anything near as well as he does. So yeah i found a way to make SH3 CTD while using NYGM2.2. The fun was in pointing that out, he can find and fix it himself, im not helping him.

[Tuddley3]

If no one cared to share their talents as modders, we would all still be playing STOCK SH3. We would have played it for 2-3 months, then tossed it out the window. But, now it just gets better and better. If you don't like it, don't visit here or Ubi, and make your own mod.

[VonHelsching]

Originally Posted by SimNut

I sure liked the old modders forum better. People shared ideas and helped each other. Everyone got to be a part of it.

Now people announce "wow OUR latest feature" and spam forums for weeks before a release with each and every feature like it's some scientific discovery only to be shared with superpowers, lest the little people or other team find out the truth.

Hopefully when these guys are done hosing each other down with virtual testosterone, the old modders forum will return.

The one where it was actually a forum, a community, and not a continual pissing contest. Go out in the hall, unzip your flys and get it over with. Whoever has the longest mod wins.

For all you've done, you've also done just as much damage splitting the camps and making everything a petty little secret. Give it some thought. The sharing of ideas has been stifled by this BS long enough.

After SH4 are you going down the same path? There will only be 2 mods and a boatload of secrets that the "community" can't/won't share because of two bruised egos?

Children in my house get punished for acting like this.

Patronising post, IMHO. Caveat lector.

I prefer the current competitive situation (which is a result of idividual behaviors) than a loose community of modders with no integration and with endless compatibility problems; a recipy of low productivity.

The result for the end player and the sales of the game itself (which ensures the continuity - next versions, games -) is IMHO better.

The collateral damage to this situation is some excellent individual modders that their end product does not make it in the big modpacks on time, or their ideas / development are not brainstormed / refined enough.

[Boris]

Originally Posted by SimNut

I sure liked the old modders forum better. People shared ideas and helped each other. Everyone got to be a part of it.

Now people announce "wow OUR latest feature" and spam forums for weeks before a release with each and every feature like it's some scientific discovery only to be shared with superpowers, lest the little people or other team find out the truth.

Hopefully when these guys are done hosing each other down with virtual testosterone, the old modders forum will return.

The one where it was actually a forum, a community, and not a continual pissing contest. Go out in the hall, unzip your flys and get it over with. Whoever has the longest mod wins.

For all you've done, you've also done just as much damage splitting the camps and making everything a petty little secret. Give it some thought. The sharing of ideas has been stifled by this BS long enough.

After SH4 are you going down the same path? There will only be 2 mods and a boatload of secrets that the "community" can't/won't share because of two bruised egos?

Children in my house get punished for acting like this.

Mate, if you knew about the saga of events that lead up to current situation you'd probably understand. I'm not going to recount events and open old wounds though, most of my knowledge on this subject is second and third hand.
The current situation really isn't that bad, you'll find that the modders within their teams are more focussed than ever before and are producing better work than ever. The sense of community that used to exist was broken by people that contradicted this sense of community.
It's no use seeing todays situation as negative, things are going well as far as SH3 mods are concerned.

[Deimos01]

Threads like this only help to exacerbate the situation by re-opening old cans of worms. We got a great community and like all communities there is friction from time to time. No big deal and some great things are comming out of it.

[Boris]

Originally Posted by Deimos01

Threads like this only help to exacerbate the situation by re-opening old cans of worms. We got a great community and like all communities there is friction from time to time. No big deal and some great things are comming out of it.

Yep, agreed

[Stiebler]

Dulcimus said:

So yeah i found a way to make SH3 CTD while using NYGM2.2. The fun was in pointing that out, he can find and fix it himself, im not helping him.

What you actually said originally was that "it didn't take me but 5 minutes of examination" (to find the CTD):
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=104

Has anyone else experienced a CTD (not part of the stock game, such as the well-known dragging over Russian cities CTD) within five minutes of examination?

I suspect not.

Stiebler.