deck gun question...

Crawlerz · 10-02-06, 03:37 PM

i got a bit of a historical/ingame question.

why would u (and the german commanders) want to UNinstall the deck gun from their uboats

? is it for the obvious speed/hydrodynamics benefits? why else? can u post a link to a historical document? thnk u.

also! why, although i M the commander of the uboat why OH WHY is the game calling me leutenant? shouldn't i be the commander/kapitan?

plz explain.

kylania · 10-02-06, 03:42 PM

From http://uboat.net/technical/guns.htm

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From June 1943 the Atlantic-boats left their bases without the deck gun. Only in the Mediterranean and the Northern Sea boats kept their guns for a few months longer. In July 1944 some of the VIIC boats from the 8th Flotilla in Königsberg got their guns back for the patrols in the Baltic Sea against the Russians.

The end of the deck guns

After the massive anti-submarine build-up by the allies in 1942 and 1943 the deck guns were removed from almost all the boats in 1943 and 1944. A few commanders were allowed to retain them though, esp. the ones who commanded the boats in the Indian Ocean (the Monsun boats). But, in effect, from 1943 the deck gun was for the most boats a thing of the past.

_Seth_ · 10-02-06, 04:41 PM

Well, it has to do with Bernards gunnery-practice.... Unfortunately, one of the star-shells hit Dönitz's summer residence, while Dönitz's wife was inside. After she came running out of the house with her dress on fire (to all the uboat-crew at the docks great pleasure), all the deck-guns were removed from the boats. Weird that they didnt remove Bernard instead, but i suppose he's related to Dönitz in some way...

Warmonger · 10-02-06, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by _Seth_

Well, it has to do with Bernards gunnery-practice.... Unfortunately, one of the star-shells hit Dönitz's summer residence, while Dönitz's wife was inside. After she came running out of the house with her dress on fire (to all the uboat-crew at the docks great pleasure), all the deck-guns were removed from the boats. Weird that they didnt remove Bernard instead, but i suppose he's related to Dönitz in some way...

No no no, that is one of the biggest historical misunderstandings. Bernard accidentally fired a starshell near Doenitz's house, illuminating his bedroom where he was wearing a maid's costume during a very special roleplay. Suffice to say that was the end of all deck guns...

_Seth_ · 10-02-06, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Warmonger

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Originally Posted by _Seth_

Well, it has to do with Bernards gunnery-practice.... Unfortunately, one of the star-shells hit Dönitz's summer residence, while Dönitz's wife was inside. After she came running out of the house with her dress on fire (to all the uboat-crew at the docks great pleasure), all the deck-guns were removed from the boats. Weird that they didnt remove Bernard instead, but i suppose he's related to Dönitz in some way...

No no no, that is one of the biggest historical misunderstandings. Bernard accidentally fired a starshell near Doenitz's house, illuminating his bedroom where he was wearing a maid's costume during a very special roleplay. Suffice to say that was the end of all deck guns...

:rotfl::rotfl:Scheisse, thats good!!!!!!

edjcox · 10-02-06, 11:57 PM

It was simply a matter of noise and utility.

They perturbed water flow and gurgled a lot making a DD's listening easier. The guns were not as important once the torpedoes rang and lethality improved. The deck area was also employed for spare's storage..

Donitz hat nichts damit zu tuhen..

Crawlerz · 10-03-06, 10:16 AM

but how does all this relate to the INGAME experience???

does removing the deckgun ingame make the DD hard of hearing? does it make the boat "more streamlined"? does it decrease diving time? does it have any effect?

Sailor Steve · 10-03-06, 10:19 AM

Probably none of the above, but they did it in real life, so there!:p

No, honestly I'm not sure of all the reasons. Probably one good one was that 150 3.46" shells take up room that could be used for extra storage, maybe even freeing up that extra toilet. Now THERE's a good reason.

Of course that doesn't have much effect in the game, either.

HunterICX · 10-03-06, 10:36 AM

Well because later on all the merchants have Deck guns, and they probally have more firepower then you do with ur single cannon....

I pressed ''S'' (accidently

) once when I was in the middle of a convoy late '43....sunk couple of minuts after with the IXD-2

Warmonger · 10-03-06, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by HunterICX

Well because later on all the merchants have Deck guns, and they probally have more firepower then you do with ur single cannon....

That and the ever increasing threat by planes and hunter-killer groups made deck guns obsolete over the time so they were removed (unfortunately not along with Bernard).

SteamWake · 10-03-06, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Warmonger

No no no, that is one of the biggest historical misunderstandings. Bernard accidentally fired a starshell near Doenitz's house, illuminating his bedroom where he was wearing a maid's costume during a very special roleplay. Suffice to say that was the end of all deck guns...

NO I refuse to belive this. Bernard cant get anything right even by accident !

Besides Doenitz preferred the nurse outfit.

HunterICX · 10-03-06, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

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Originally Posted by Warmonger

No no no, that is one of the biggest historical misunderstandings. Bernard accidentally fired a starshell near Doenitz's house, illuminating his bedroom where he was wearing a maid's costume during a very special roleplay. Suffice to say that was the end of all deck guns...

NO I refuse to belive this. Bernard cant get anything right even by accident !

Besides Doenitz preferred the nurse outfit.

No, No and No

Doenitz preferres his fashionable Catwoman Suit with a leather string up his butthole and then he has his haircut, his moustache and Hat the same as Hitler and put on his favorite record ''ABBA'' Mama Mia

Jimbuna · 10-03-06, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Warmonger

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Originally Posted by _Seth_

Well, it has to do with Bernards gunnery-practice.... Unfortunately, one of the star-shells hit Dönitz's summer residence, while Dönitz's wife was inside. After she came running out of the house with her dress on fire (to all the uboat-crew at the docks great pleasure), all the deck-guns were removed from the boats. Weird that they didnt remove Bernard instead, but i suppose he's related to Dönitz in some way...

No no no, that is one of the biggest historical misunderstandings. Bernard accidentally fired a starshell near Doenitz's house, illuminating his bedroom where he was wearing a maid's costume during a very special roleplay. Suffice to say that was the end of all deck guns...

ROFLMAO :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Crawlerz · 10-03-06, 02:40 PM

very funnY!:rotfl: ROFL!

bookworm_020 · 10-03-06, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterICX

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

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Originally Posted by Warmonger

No no no, that is one of the biggest historical misunderstandings. Bernard accidentally fired a starshell near Doenitz's house, illuminating his bedroom where he was wearing a maid's costume during a very special roleplay. Suffice to say that was the end of all deck guns...

NO I refuse to belive this. Bernard cant get anything right even by accident !

Besides Doenitz preferred the nurse outfit.

No, No and No

Doenitz preferres his fashionable Catwoman Suit with a leather string up his butthole and then he has his haircut, his moustache and Hat the same as Hitler and put on his favorite record ''ABBA'' Mama Mia

I don't care what Doenitz was wearing, Erich Raeder always had better style!! :rotfl:

10-02-06, 03:37 PM	#1
Crawlerz Bosun Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 63 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	deck gun question... i got a bit of a historical/ingame question. why would u (and the german commanders) want to UNinstall the deck gun from their uboats ? is it for the obvious speed/hydrodynamics benefits? why else? can u post a link to a historical document? thnk u. also! why, although i M the commander of the uboat why OH WHY is the game calling me leutenant? shouldn't i be the commander/kapitan? plz explain. __________________ Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead.

10-02-06, 04:41 PM	#3
_Seth_ Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In Tromsoe, @Tirpitz' final resting place.. Posts: 3,277 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	Well, it has to do with Bernards gunnery-practice.... Unfortunately, one of the star-shells hit Dönitz's summer residence, while Dönitz's wife was inside. After she came running out of the house with her dress on fire (to all the uboat-crew at the docks great pleasure), all the deck-guns were removed from the boats. Weird that they didnt remove Bernard instead, but i suppose he's related to Dönitz in some way... __________________

10-02-06, 11:57 PM	#6
edjcox Engineer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Shang Gri La Posts: 219 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	Deck Guns It was simply a matter of noise and utility. They perturbed water flow and gurgled a lot making a DD's listening easier. The guns were not as important once the torpedoes rang and lethality improved. The deck area was also employed for spare's storage.. Donitz hat nichts damit zu tuhen.. __________________ EJ Cox http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z...jcox/usaCa.gif

10-03-06, 10:16 AM	#7
Crawlerz Bosun Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 63 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	but how does all this relate to the INGAME experience??? does removing the deckgun ingame make the DD hard of hearing? does it make the boat "more streamlined"? does it decrease diving time? does it have any effect? __________________ Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead.

10-03-06, 10:19 AM	#8
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Probably none of the above, but they did it in real life, so there!:p No, honestly I'm not sure of all the reasons. Probably one good one was that 150 3.46" shells take up room that could be used for extra storage, maybe even freeing up that extra toilet. Now THERE's a good reason. Of course that doesn't have much effect in the game, either. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

10-03-06, 10:36 AM	#9
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Well because later on all the merchants have Deck guns, and they probally have more firepower then you do with ur single cannon.... I pressed ''S'' (accidently ) once when I was in the middle of a convoy late '43....sunk couple of minuts after with the IXD-2 __________________

10-03-06, 02:40 PM	#14
Crawlerz Bosun Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 63 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	very funnY!:rotfl: ROFL! __________________ Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead.