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| View Poll Results: Should the K-19 crew be nominated for the Nobel of Peace? | |||
| Yes, their sacrifice prevented the Thrid Wolrd War |
   
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12 | 41.38% |
| No, they do not deserve this |
  
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14 | 48.28% |
| I do not care |
  
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3 | 10.34% |
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08-19-06, 08:33 AM
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Nobel Prize for K-19 heroes
I have just found on Subsim News, THIS ONE
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I think this reward would also recognice the Cold War Submariners of both sides that during Deterrent patrols prevented with their discipline, deedication and professionalism that Third World War happenened.
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08-19-06, 09:32 AM
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Admiral
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The Nobel Peace Prize is one of the most bizzare and political of the Nobels. I don't think their definition of peace even matches mine. I'll vote yes because it's better this than the other competing alternatives.
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08-19-06, 11:11 AM
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The Old Man
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Yes!
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08-19-06, 12:32 PM
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Yup I agree too.
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08-19-06, 03:25 PM
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There have been some fearfully brave Russians over the years, and I'd rank the K-19 crew right up there at the top. Radiation "poisoning" is the suxx0r.
However, the "enlisted" crew members just did not know what to expect from that reactor, and the Communist Politburo didn't care how many Russians died to maintain their power. I imagine there are many brave North Koreans, too. |
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08-19-06, 04:18 PM
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Old chancellor Helmut Schmidt is one of only two persons in the history of the Federal Republic of Germany who refused to accept the highest medal Germany has on offer, the Bundesverdienstkreuz (our version of the congress medal). His spartan explanation: as a chancellor, it was simply his duty to do his best, and thus, fulfilling his duty does not require any additional recognition and reward. If he would accept that, then it wouldn't have been his duty. - Typical Schmidt, I love this old growling dog!
I voted No. I am aware that the Nobel prize is abused and instrumentalised these days for pushing political agendas, and hoping for things that still did not realise (and for which to achieve the Nobel Prize originally was meant to be a reward, not an initialisation). the crew of K19 deserves the highest honours and support their military has to offer, and our respect and thankfulness, but they do not qualify for the criterions of the Nobel Peace Prize. Like those innumerable men that sacrificed their health at Chernobyl. It deserves respect, sympathy, and support. But it is not what the Nobel Peace Prize was meant for. And if the Sowjets really would have cared so much for preventing a WWIII by accident - they always could have informed the West much earlier of what was going on.
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08-20-06, 03:10 AM
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Tough one. Voted 'no', not because they don't deserve the recognition - they deserve the highest recognition that their courage, sacrifice, and heroism, can be awarded - but awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to the crew of a nuclear submarine is not the appropriate recognition and a misuse of this particular award IMHO.
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08-20-06, 03:14 AM
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The Old Man
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I agree with Scandium here.
The crew does need recognition and credit for their heroic actions, but build a monument for them, and give them all medals for their selfless action. They deserve that.
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08-20-06, 03:29 AM
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Ace of the Deep
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They should get money, a lot, to help make thier life as good as possible, for them and their relatives. Better too, lots of benefits as well.
Nobel prize? That thing is very political. It's like Eurovision. If Arafat could win a noble prize,... comon. Nobel prize is JOKE in my eyes in terms of what it tries to represent. Just give those sailors the money. So Scandium I agree with you in one sense, but to say it would be a missuse of that award... comon, that award is misused too much anyway. Giving it to Arafat, give me a break. |
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08-20-06, 05:06 AM
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Soaring
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First, what that crew probably needed most is medical and financial support, and if they got hurt or killed, the knowledge that their families will be taken care of. More worth than any damn medal. Never understood people's obessions with medals and monuments.
Second, there are some names on that list that would cause me to reject that Prize if I would happen to win it for something. Wouldn't like to be mentioned in one breath together with them. And third, I do not like that the Prize today often is given to encourgae certain agendas or processes - a reward in advance. The commitee should restrict itself to rewarding what has been accheived, not deciding of what it would like to see in the future to take place. They should not decide the future, that is not their job, and should not make policies. For that reason, today the Nobel Peace Prize is worth almost nothing imo - too opportunistic it is.
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08-20-06, 05:45 AM
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08-20-06, 06:55 AM
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Yes, some of the names on that list are the results of questionable desicions. Some, however, are not, and it is those that I hold as the standard. Therefore, I do not put the crew of K-19, regardless of their great heroism, in the same category as Martin Luther King Jr., Mother Teresa and Nelson Mandela. It is the great choices, not the most questionable, that should hold the standard of selection.
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