Syria may join the conflict?

STEED · 07-24-06, 04:33 AM

Is this for real? Is Syria going to enter the conflict or is it all wind.

Quote:

Syria: We'll join conflict if Israeli troops approach

Syrian information minister says country to enter Israel-Hizbullah conflict if IDF forces invade Lebanon, approach Syria border. in meeting with Spanish foreign minister in Madrid, Damascus envoy slams US for supporting Israel in fighting
Reuters

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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...280112,00.html

goldorak · 07-24-06, 05:10 AM

Siria is just waiting the good moment to "come" back to lebanon after having been kicked out.

STEED · 07-24-06, 12:20 PM

Nothing on the TV news about Syria I wonder. :hmm:

August · 07-24-06, 02:03 PM

Syria is saber rattling. They know that their finaincial and military support of Hezbollah has not gone unnoticed by the rest of the world so if they actually jump in they risk loosing more than just a guerilla force.

Type941 · 07-24-06, 03:27 PM

i am getting so sick of this. Israel is bombing all bridges and roads, and then wants Lebanon to take control of its own country. how can they do it now, if they can't even GET there???!!!

This is starting to remind me nazi germany.

Takeda Shingen · 07-24-06, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Syria is saber rattling. They know that their finaincial and military support of Hezbollah has not gone unnoticed by the rest of the world so if they actually jump in they risk loosing more than just a guerilla force.

I agree. Syria has nothing to gain, and everything to lose by involvement. Currently, they will only lose a guerilla army, and one that does not, technically, belong to them. The Syrian army has no chance of victory against the Israelis, especially with the US providing them with smart weapon technology. They just want to be heard, and avoid significant troubles.

Skybird · 07-24-06, 04:02 PM

Can anyone make an educated guess on how much of it's precision ammunition the Isaraelis have used during the lebaon operation so far? There was a news report saying that they urged the US to speed up a planned delvery of smart bombs. I do not assume it, because dedicated anti-tank-ammunition is not that much used up in Lebanon, but can it be ruled out that the Lebanon operation does not eat up so much ammunition that maybe Israel will fave Syria in a somewhat weakened condition of itself? How is Israels potetial towards Syria influenced by the current rate of using bombs and artillery ammunition in Lebanon?

Takeda Shingen · 07-24-06, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Can anyone make an educated guess on how much of it's precision ammunition the Isaraelis have used during the lebaon operation so far? There was a news report saying that they urged the US to speed up a planned delvery of smart bombs. I do not assume it, because dedicated anti-tank-ammunition is not that much used up in Lebanon, but can it be ruled out that the Lebanon operation does not eat up so much ammunition that maybe Israel will fave Syria in a somewhat weakened condition of itself? How is Israels potetial towards Syria influenced by the current rate of using bombs and artillery ammunition in Lebanon?

You're correct. We can't know if they have used a single prescision weapon. The Israelis let that request be aired to the world in order send a message to the leaders of would-be hostile nations: We have the US in our corner. With the tide of world opinion turning against them, it is the only real diplomatic card they have left in the deck.

Skybird · 07-24-06, 04:29 PM

In what am I correct? I clearly said that I do not know about the question I asked.

Anyhow, this I found to be a good editorial from the Washington Post today:

Tehran, Hezbollah and a 'ceasefire'
TODAY'S EDITORIAL
July 24, 2006

While Israel continues fighting to secure its northern border, the Iranian government barely makes an effort to hide its support for Hezbollah. Yesterday, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called the United States and Britain "accomplices of the Zionist regime in its crimes in Lebanon and Palestine" and declared that, by going to war against Hezbollah, Israel "pushed the button of its own destruction." In Tehran, the government, which provides Hezbollah upwards of $100 million a year, has put up billboards paying tribute to Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah and declaring that it is the duty of Muslims to "wipe out" the Jewish state. And, over the weekend, in a display worthy of Hitler or Stalin (or Saddam Hussein in happier times), the Associated Press reported that Iranian officials in the city of Shiraz organized a demonstration by Iran's tiny Jewish community praising Hezbollah and calling for Israel's destruction.
With this ugliness as a backdrop, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice arrives in the Middle East today for meetings aimed at ending the violence in the region, with the primary focus on finding a viable plan for Lebanon's future. Thus far, the administration has performed admirably in fending off well-intentioned but utterly misguided calls for a premature ceasefire that would leave Hezbollah's military capabilities in place. Over the weekend, unconfirmed reports in the Israeli press suggested that Washington wants Israel to end its military campaign in Lebanon within one week. We trust that this is disinformation, and that Miss Rice and President Bush will quickly knock down such foolishness.
Some object to the Bush administration's approach, arguing that America should instead be an "honest broker" between Arabs and Israelis. But we need to be intellectually honest. The United States is not a neutral party; we are Israel's friend and ally in the war against radical Islam. That doesn't mean we agree with Israel all the time. But we cannot be neutral when Israel is fighting on our side against Islamofascism.
Any ceasefire that leaves Sheikh Nasrallah and his confederates in place as a serious fighting force capable of targeting Israel would be a defeat -- not only for Israel, but for the United States as well -- and Hezbollah would emerge emboldened and more dangerous. At a minimum, the war must end with Hezbollah and the government of Lebanon being forced to comply with United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559, which requires that Hezbollah disarm. Hezbollah's army must be removed from southern Lebanon.
A senior American official briefing reporters on Friday described American policy goals in Lebanon as follows: Achieving a ceasefire is a part of an eventual diplomatic package. But it is unclear whether such a plan would include a request that Hezbollah leave southern Lebanon and agree to a ceasefire, or whether Israeli military strikes would make Hezbollah's acquiescence irrelevant.
We strongly prefer the latter option.
If Israel is given the time it needs to bring the Lebanon operation to a successful conclusion, it will deal a severe blow to Hezbollah, and, by extension, its state sponsors in Tehran and Damascus. But such a favorable outcome will require American perseverance and maturity -- the most important aspect of which is the realization that civilians die in war. Despite the Israeli military's efforts to confine its strikes so as to avoid civilian casualties, it is impossible to wage all-out war against terrorist groups operating in densely populated neighborhoods, concealing legitimate military targets like rockets in private homes, while ensuring civilians' safety. But the blame for civilian casualties in these circumstances belongs squarely with Hezbollah -- which foments violence, targets Israeli civilians and uses Lebanese civilians as human shields.
As Israel expands its ground operations to root out Hezbollah, we are certain to learn much more about the grim reality of the military arsenal that Hezbollah has managed to amass in in Lebanon since its founding in 1982. A substantial (but unknown) percentage of this has been transferred to southern Lebanon in the wake of Israel's unilateral withdrawal on May 24, 2000: Thanks to Iran and Syria, Hezbollah was estimated to have a force that included unmanned aerial vehicles that have previously penetrated Israeli airspace, as well as approximately 13,000 rockets and missiles on July 12, when it crossed the border and kidnapped two Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers, triggering the current fighting. The overwhelming majority of this arsenal consisted of relatively short-range Katyusha rockets, but several hundred were longer-range weapons, including an undetermined number of Zelzal missiles, which can reach southern Israel.
While Hezbollah has fired upwards of several thousand missiles and rockets at Israel in the past 12 days, it would be a serious mistake to expect the group to run out of weapons anytime soon: For one thing, Israeli intelligence says that Iran and Syria continue working to resupply Hezbollah; the efforts are said to be coordinated by the Iranian embassy in Beirut. Iran is also believed to have several hundred members of its Revolutionary Guard stationed in Lebanon (most likely in the south or in the Bekaa Valley, a Hezbollah stronghold near the Syrian border).
In addition, Arab-language newspapers have reported that a secret 20-member Revolutionary Guard unit is monitoring IDF movements and deciding which targets to hit inside Israel. Ten days ago, Hezbollah fired a C802 missile which struck an Israeli ship, killing four sailors. Israel had been unaware that Hezbollah possessed such weapons. We should be prepared for the possibility of more such surprises, and expect that the war could turn out to be a long, protracted one.
The Bush administration needs to continue to fend off ill-considered plans to bring the Israeli operation in Lebanon to a premature conclusion.

from: http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed...3643-9501r.htm

Takeda Shingen · 07-24-06, 04:42 PM

Sorry, Sky. I assumed that you were getting at the fact that the presence of prescision weapons was not, in itself, a deterrent. I would agree with that.

I assume that this editorial is not Richard Cohen. I think he's had enough for awhile.

Skybird · 07-24-06, 06:14 PM

A German-language essay from one of Germany's most major newspapers, "Die Welt". Title is "Why I am for this war". I definitely agree with it.

http://www.welt.de/data/2006/07/25/971936.html

Skybird · 07-24-06, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Type941

i am getting so sick of this. Israel is bombing all bridges and roads, and then wants Lebanon to take control of its own country. how can they do it now, if they can't even GET there???!!!

This is starting to remind me nazi germany.

they are bombing the roads adn bridges that are used for logistical support from Syria. Weapons tansports. An analyst on radio said that first it was the major road that leads from Lebanon to Syria only. when the Hezbollah activities shifted to use alternate routes, the bombing follwed them. The logic of war.

STEED · 07-25-06, 06:01 AM

I heard on the radio that Syria is gearing up for war according to some American guy. Sorry all I did not hear it all, no I don't know what this American guy did, for all I know he could be a general or just joe public. I am not convinced about Syria, most likely they want their bit of action on the world media stage.

07-24-06, 12:20 PM	#3
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Nothing on the TV news about Syria I wonder. :hmm: __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

07-24-06, 02:03 PM	#4
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Syria is saber rattling. They know that their finaincial and military support of Hezbollah has not gone unnoticed by the rest of the world so if they actually jump in they risk loosing more than just a guerilla force. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

07-24-06, 03:27 PM	#5
Type941 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: U-52 Posts: 1,270 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	i am getting so sick of this. Israel is bombing all bridges and roads, and then wants Lebanon to take control of its own country. how can they do it now, if they can't even GET there???!!! This is starting to remind me nazi germany. __________________ Sink the Bismarck SH3 Movie

07-24-06, 04:02 PM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,612 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Can anyone make an educated guess on how much of it's precision ammunition the Isaraelis have used during the lebaon operation so far? There was a news report saying that they urged the US to speed up a planned delvery of smart bombs. I do not assume it, because dedicated anti-tank-ammunition is not that much used up in Lebanon, but can it be ruled out that the Lebanon operation does not eat up so much ammunition that maybe Israel will fave Syria in a somewhat weakened condition of itself? How is Israels potetial towards Syria influenced by the current rate of using bombs and artillery ammunition in Lebanon? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-24-06, 04:29 PM	#9
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,612 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	In what am I correct? I clearly said that I do not know about the question I asked. Anyhow, this I found to be a good editorial from the Washington Post today: Tehran, Hezbollah and a 'ceasefire' TODAY'S EDITORIAL July 24, 2006 While Israel continues fighting to secure its northern border, the Iranian government barely makes an effort to hide its support for Hezbollah. Yesterday, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called the United States and Britain "accomplices of the Zionist regime in its crimes in Lebanon and Palestine" and declared that, by going to war against Hezbollah, Israel "pushed the button of its own destruction." In Tehran, the government, which provides Hezbollah upwards of $100 million a year, has put up billboards paying tribute to Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah and declaring that it is the duty of Muslims to "wipe out" the Jewish state. And, over the weekend, in a display worthy of Hitler or Stalin (or Saddam Hussein in happier times), the Associated Press reported that Iranian officials in the city of Shiraz organized a demonstration by Iran's tiny Jewish community praising Hezbollah and calling for Israel's destruction. With this ugliness as a backdrop, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice arrives in the Middle East today for meetings aimed at ending the violence in the region, with the primary focus on finding a viable plan for Lebanon's future. Thus far, the administration has performed admirably in fending off well-intentioned but utterly misguided calls for a premature ceasefire that would leave Hezbollah's military capabilities in place. Over the weekend, unconfirmed reports in the Israeli press suggested that Washington wants Israel to end its military campaign in Lebanon within one week. We trust that this is disinformation, and that Miss Rice and President Bush will quickly knock down such foolishness. Some object to the Bush administration's approach, arguing that America should instead be an "honest broker" between Arabs and Israelis. But we need to be intellectually honest. The United States is not a neutral party; we are Israel's friend and ally in the war against radical Islam. That doesn't mean we agree with Israel all the time. But we cannot be neutral when Israel is fighting on our side against Islamofascism. Any ceasefire that leaves Sheikh Nasrallah and his confederates in place as a serious fighting force capable of targeting Israel would be a defeat -- not only for Israel, but for the United States as well -- and Hezbollah would emerge emboldened and more dangerous. At a minimum, the war must end with Hezbollah and the government of Lebanon being forced to comply with United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559, which requires that Hezbollah disarm. Hezbollah's army must be removed from southern Lebanon. A senior American official briefing reporters on Friday described American policy goals in Lebanon as follows: Achieving a ceasefire is a part of an eventual diplomatic package. But it is unclear whether such a plan would include a request that Hezbollah leave southern Lebanon and agree to a ceasefire, or whether Israeli military strikes would make Hezbollah's acquiescence irrelevant. We strongly prefer the latter option. If Israel is given the time it needs to bring the Lebanon operation to a successful conclusion, it will deal a severe blow to Hezbollah, and, by extension, its state sponsors in Tehran and Damascus. But such a favorable outcome will require American perseverance and maturity -- the most important aspect of which is the realization that civilians die in war. Despite the Israeli military's efforts to confine its strikes so as to avoid civilian casualties, it is impossible to wage all-out war against terrorist groups operating in densely populated neighborhoods, concealing legitimate military targets like rockets in private homes, while ensuring civilians' safety. But the blame for civilian casualties in these circumstances belongs squarely with Hezbollah -- which foments violence, targets Israeli civilians and uses Lebanese civilians as human shields. As Israel expands its ground operations to root out Hezbollah, we are certain to learn much more about the grim reality of the military arsenal that Hezbollah has managed to amass in in Lebanon since its founding in 1982. A substantial (but unknown) percentage of this has been transferred to southern Lebanon in the wake of Israel's unilateral withdrawal on May 24, 2000: Thanks to Iran and Syria, Hezbollah was estimated to have a force that included unmanned aerial vehicles that have previously penetrated Israeli airspace, as well as approximately 13,000 rockets and missiles on July 12, when it crossed the border and kidnapped two Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers, triggering the current fighting. The overwhelming majority of this arsenal consisted of relatively short-range Katyusha rockets, but several hundred were longer-range weapons, including an undetermined number of Zelzal missiles, which can reach southern Israel. While Hezbollah has fired upwards of several thousand missiles and rockets at Israel in the past 12 days, it would be a serious mistake to expect the group to run out of weapons anytime soon: For one thing, Israeli intelligence says that Iran and Syria continue working to resupply Hezbollah; the efforts are said to be coordinated by the Iranian embassy in Beirut. Iran is also believed to have several hundred members of its Revolutionary Guard stationed in Lebanon (most likely in the south or in the Bekaa Valley, a Hezbollah stronghold near the Syrian border). In addition, Arab-language newspapers have reported that a secret 20-member Revolutionary Guard unit is monitoring IDF movements and deciding which targets to hit inside Israel. Ten days ago, Hezbollah fired a C802 missile which struck an Israeli ship, killing four sailors. Israel had been unaware that Hezbollah possessed such weapons. We should be prepared for the possibility of more such surprises, and expect that the war could turn out to be a long, protracted one. The Bush administration needs to continue to fend off ill-considered plans to bring the Israeli operation in Lebanon to a premature conclusion. from: http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed...3643-9501r.htm __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 07-24-06 at 04:46 PM.

07-24-06, 05:10 AM	#2
goldorak Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,320 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Siria is just waiting the good moment to "come" back to lebanon after having been kicked out.

07-24-06, 04:42 PM	#10
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Sorry, Sky. I assumed that you were getting at the fact that the presence of prescision weapons was not, in itself, a deterrent. I would agree with that. I assume that this editorial is not Richard Cohen. I think he's had enough for awhile.

07-24-06, 06:14 PM	#11
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,612 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	A German-language essay from one of Germany's most major newspapers, "Die Welt". Title is "Why I am for this war". I definitely agree with it. http://www.welt.de/data/2006/07/25/971936.html __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-25-06, 06:01 AM	#13
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I heard on the radio that Syria is gearing up for war according to some American guy. Sorry all I did not hear it all, no I don't know what this American guy did, for all I know he could be a general or just joe public. I am not convinced about Syria, most likely they want their bit of action on the world media stage. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!