What Materazzi said to Zidane (official)

Well, when Zidane was playing for Juventus, I was living in Italy and went to football matches regularly. In fact, I've seen Buffon play and Cannavaro. They both used to play for my local club and in fact Cannavaro used to acknowledge me somtimes when I used to shout at him.

Anyway, Zidane has a Spanish wife. Whilst Zidane was in Italy, there were rumours that his wife was caught cheating with another man...also why the hasty exit to Spain. So...Materazzi (the old dog he is) knew this and insulted his wife. Materazzi was holding onto Zidane's shirt so Zidane said "...I'll give it to you after the game if you want it...) and Materazzi answered "....you can keep your shirt, I prefer your wifes..." and he repeated it...that's when Zidane went balistic (knowing his wife is a man-eating whore).

Come the news conference Zidane, the lying dog, changed it to insulting his mother and sister because he obviously didn't want the rumours of his bed-jumping wife to resurface.

But here and now I can confirm that Zidane's wife is a TROIA, PUTTANA, POMPINARA!!! :rotfl:

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Kurushio

Well, when Zidane was playing for Juventus, I was living in Italy and went to football matches regularly. In fact, I've seen Buffon play and Cannavaro. They both used to play for my local club and in fact Cannavaro used to acknowledge me somtimes when I used to shout at him.

Anyway, Zidane has a Spanish wife. Whilst Zidane was in Italy, there were rumours that his wife was caught cheating with another man...also why the hasty exit to Spain. So...Materazzi (the old dog he is) knew this and insulted his wife. Materazzi was holding onto Zidane's shirt so Zidane said "...I'll give it to you after the game if you want it...) and Materazzi answered "....you can keep your shirt, I prefer your wifes..." and he repeated it...that's when Zidane went balistic (knowing his wife is a man-eating whore).

Come the news conference Zidane, the lying dog, changed it to insulting his mother and sister because he obviously didn't want the rumours of his bed-jumping wife to resurface.

But here and now I can confirm that Zidane's wife is a TROIA, PUTTANA, POMPINARA!!! :rotfl:

So, the Italian said that to the Frenchman? Very bad sportsmanship,

Italy should forfeit.

You obviously never watch football. Worst happens...it's part of the game. Like beaning in baseball...do you forfeit the World Series just because someone got beaned?

[diver]

Originally Posted by Kurushio

You obviously never watch football. Worst happens...it's part of the game. Like beaning in baseball...do you forfeit the World Series just because someone got beaned?

No. but a team should if it's players cheat like Italian footballers.

[sergbuto]

Other methods to win than just playing better football seem to be generic for Italian football nowdays, looking on all those scandals with cheating in the Italian football league. Looks like the Italian national team really plans and counts on such methods for important games. And I am not surprised since they have fans who approve and enjoy when such methods applied as well.

[aaken]

Originally Posted by diver

No. but a team should if it's players cheat like Italian footballers.

Do you have any proof that italian football players cheat? If you referr to the penalty against australia (legitimate IMO), what should italians say about the penalty in the first minutes of the first half of the final against France? Or maybe the fact that a player dives in the box is perfectly acceptable, given that the player is not italian?
As for the italian football scandal, it is common knowledge that the scandal involved some club managers (that exerted pressure on refs), not the players themselves.

[mog]

Originally Posted by diver

No. but a team should if it's players cheat like Italian footballers.

I don't think it's fair to single out the Italians; almost all players at that level cheat. Bad sportsmanship is part of the game apparently.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Kurushio

You obviously never watch football. Worst happens...it's part of the game. Like beaning in baseball...do you forfeit the World Series just because someone got beaned?

My opinion of football has dropped. This was a pretty poor World Cup.

[catar M]

Originally Posted by aaken

Do you have any proof that italian football players cheat? If you referr to the penalty against australia (legitimate IMO), what should italians say about the penalty in the first minutes of the first half of the final against France? Or maybe the fact that a player dives in the box is perfectly acceptable, given that the player is not italian?
As for the italian football scandal, it is common knowledge that the scandal involved some club managers (that exerted pressure on refs), not the players themselves.

You got to be kidding m8,that penalty was newer legit.Italian are opera stars.Don't tell me that with that cheating going on in 4 clubs in Italy (i think 4) that players didn't know about any of it

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

So, the Italian said that to the Frenchman? Very bad sportsmanship,

Italy should forfeit.

You wont believe whats being say'd during the game to get you out your concentration.
Not my way though.
The first time some one stepped deliberately on my hand after a sliding, I din't hit a ball during the rest of the game.
But that was ones.

[aaken]

You got to be kidding m8,that penalty was newer legit.Italian are opera stars.Don't tell me that with that cheating going on in 4 clubs in Italy (i think 4) that players didn't know about any of it

I'm not kidding. IMO that penalty was fair, even though the ref could have let is pass since it was merely an obstruction fault. As for italians beeing opera stars, this can be but I don't see anything different happening anywhere else. A couple of examples from games played by Italy:

1) I've already mentioned the penalty given to France in the world cup final. There the french player threw himself on the ground. The italian defender (Materazzi) didn't seem to be making any obstruction nor did he touch the player.

2) In the semifinal Germany Italy there was one instance which I remember pretty vivdly. It was a contrast between Ballak and Cannavaro (I think). Ballak, having lost the ball outside the penalty box, threw himself on the ground faking to have been hit in the face. The italian defender did not touch him. No yellow card was awarded.

As for the scandal, I'm not debating if the players did or did not know of the pressures on the referees. I'm simply stating that the cheats were not done by the players themselves but by the team managers who put pressure on the refs in order to obtain "special treatment". In other words the scandal is not connected to the previously stated (and apparently common) idea that italian players are divers/ballerinas/whatever.
What disturbs me is the apparently common (and IMO completely hypocritical) attitude displayed during and after the world cup towards italian players. They have been dubbed fakers and divers when everybody else behave exactly the same (BTW, having watched soccer since I was very very young, it seems to me that the tendency to dive, apart from being practiced everywhere in any soccer league in any country, is as popular today as it was 25 years ago), the italian game play has been widely judged "retrograd" because Italy plays a defensive football and scores with sudden counter-attacks (which maybe bad for the show but so far proved a good tactic to win games), without counting the racist remarks that appeared on some german press (but ok, in the mind of the authors they were probably just colorful satyr, although I fail to see the satyrical aspect of calling Italian men "a parasite lifeform" on an editorial of Der Spiegel OnLine).

[Dan D]

A little comment on the "racist remarks on Italians in German newspapers": To me it seems that it was a media hype in Italy only. Italian media seemingly picked up the Spiegel online apostille (or was there something else?) and soon the hole thing got blown out of proportions. In Germany, from what I noticed, there was no Italian bashing going on, just the usual teasing you have during international football tournaments. Italy was not a special target of the media, there were some jokes ok, but no more jokes than on the English or Dutch or else. I did not read about anti-Italian rants after the match Italy-Australia nor after the match Germany-Italy or Italy-France in the German media. MY impression is, that it really was a one-sided baggy affair. I was surprised when I heard of the complaints about the German media from the Italian side for the first time and even Italian players mentioning it. Again, this was no issue in Germany.
As I have said before, because of the many Italian-Germans here it was derby time with a lot of rivalry involved but there was nothing that got over the top.
The article on Spiegel online which obviously was the bone of contention was a satire indeed. It contained all the stereotypes that exist on Italians in a very exaggerated and silly way, so that you can say, the joke is actually on the Germans who think that way. I did not understand why Aaken posted the article here. What did he expect? That people feel responsible for every nonsense written by any newspaper ? Who cares. I did not write that thing, not my problem. Who says that I share the authors point of view or that the author expresses the prevailing opinion in Germany?
It would have been better to sent a complaint to Spiegel online instead, if you feel insulted. Others did that by the way. When I read the article after Aaken had drawn my attention to it, there was an editorial note in Italian that due to the many protests the phrase "a parasite lifeform" had been taken out.
To my experience, it is very difficult to get the irony or satirical aspects when you read a text in a language other than your own, even if you speak the language very well, because you have to read between the lines and to see phrases in the context of the whole text to get the authors intention. "Parasite" was obviously not meant as a true statement to be taken literally but as a satirical statement "stays at Hotel Mama until he gets married". The choice of words was probably not the best. Sometimes there are apparently serious statements that are funny or intended to be funny because of the context they are made in, here Totti after he scored the penalty against Australia imitating a child sucking its thumb. I like Totti's humour. I heard people in Italy made a lot of jokes about him not being the smartest guy which made him release a book with Totti jokes which was a smart move.
Personally I think, the article was no good satire. I have read better stuff. Mind you, the guy who wrote it, artist name "Achim Archilles" is a guest writer who writes from the philosophical point of view of an "Iron man" (marathon runner-swimmer-cyclist), if that is possible, so I guess he has that kind of humour of that Sergeant Hartmann in "Full metal jacket".
What I did not like, was the chorus of whistles when the Italian anthem was played.
This was probably a reaction towards the lamenting from Italy about German verbal foulplay for which people had little understanding because here it appeared to be over-dramatised like a Wagner opera and there was no reason at all to turn it into a affair of state. But again, this does not excuse the whistles. I understand that.

[aaken]

The article on Spiegel online which obviously was the bone of contention was a satire indeed. It contained all the stereotypes that exist on Italians in a very exaggerated and silly way, so that you can say, the joke is actually on the Germans who think that way. I did not understand why Aaken posted the article here.

I think i posted it in the topic Germany-Italy game. Since it seemed to me that the article was related in some way to the pre-match pathos, I posted it. I did not have any particular intention. Nor did I imply in any way that the views expressed by the author were shared by other people.

I would accept your explanation on the "racist" comments written on German newspapers being "satire" only if I didn't witness the DISGUSTING whistling and booing practically all the Germans in the Dotrmund stadium participated in when the Italian anthem was playing. You should all be ashamed of yourselves, but you got what you deserve. Whistling and booing at the start, crying at the end. I was in tears too...of joy, seeing German fans all depressed.

Secondly, many of the nasty comments were reported here in Britain, too...not only in Italy. You also seemed to have missed Podolski's Nazi salute after winning against Argentine...AND the disgraceful scenes the Germans participated in against the Argentinians at the end of the match, caused by the Germans I may add.

Germany also adopted dirty tactics, by re-laying the pitch (for absolutely no reason) the day before the Italy-Ukraine match knowing they would play one of the two in the next round. This put all the players at risk of a serious injury..the British commentators couldn't believe they would do that...and the players were sliding everywhere.

Germany were very poor hosts...which is a shame.

To answer the idiots who keep on harping on about the scandal in Italy. Well, there is a scandal in Britain too, very similar to Italy. The only thing is, they buried it over here...at least in Italy they do something about it, and don't accept it. Oh yeah...and Air Emirates sponsoring Chelsea...then the next year all the referees start wearing "Air Emirates" on their Jerseys...and all of a sudden, Chelsea start winning. So eff off...it doesn't just happen in Italy...they are just more honest over there and don't bury it.

And to answer the person who said "it was a bad world cup"...I wonder how many you've seen? 1? I've seen them all since I was a wee lad...and it was one of the best...for sure. Italy made history by only taking 2 goals...an own goal and a (dubious) penalty.

Forza Italia!

p.s. The Grosso penalty against Australia was valid. Why did the Australian player go to ground, if not to trip him? And...inthe game, Italy were playing in 10 for most of the match, unfairly.

Though Italy a very deserved champions. If you think the bastard Blatter hates Italy...they one going against everyone...even FIFA. Notice how the fat pig Blatter didn't present the Cup to the Italian team? That was scandalous...but the cup is in Italy for 4 years and no one can take it away.

p.s. 30 billion people watched Italy pull off the greatest ever world cup tournament win.

ITALIA ITALIA!

edit: anyway...so much for FIFAS no racism policy...we had racist comments in german newspapers, racist german fans whistling someone elses national anthem, racist german players giving nazi salutes when they scored a goal. Luckily the good guys won in the end. Germany...you have nazi resurgence as your problem...that's all we needed...nationalism on the rise in a nation which throughout history has proved not a very good member of earth and which we needed to kill million of to put them back in their place.

Oh, I just remembered why I felt so strongly about what Germany said in the newspapers. They called Italians "mafia people". Now this is very offensive, if you think how many people the mafia have killed...it's like calling Irish people "terrorists". Now, it's doubly insulting to me because I went to fight the mafia just after Falcone was killed...and you don't joke about these people....

...very poor taste...if it was Italians saying that to Germans, you'd be shouting SCANDAL! Remember when the sleazy Berlusconi compared a German politician to a concentration guard? Germans went mad and referred Italy to the EU. And that was after a stupid idiot like Berlusconi (hardly speaks for the Italian population) said it...

...by the way...Italy hosted the World Cup in 1990 and they never insluted anyone, never whistled to other national anthems, the newspapers were all respectful and everyone had a good time. THAT is how you host a world cup...and Germany won. So you returned the favour.