Medals in SH3 ??

[Grey Legion]

During my newest career I want to keep better track of my crew and ther skill and promotions.

Using SH3 Commander I want to be able to award the proper medal for the propers service (if that makes sence !?! )

So I was wondering where can I learn more about the medals featured in SH3 and how to better award them, did the google thing and only found sites selling them with little to no details on how why and when they were used.

Any help would be great !!

Well, this is one....I'll edit this post as I find more.


http://uboat.net/men/decorations/

[Hartmann]

I don´t understand promotions and medals...

has some influence in the crew performance ??

Hartmann, you could check this out...

http://www.communitymanuals.com/shii...tle=Promotions

http://www.communitymanuals.com/shii...p?title=Medals

[JScones]

Cick around http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/ as well. Good site.
http://www.axishistory.com/ as well. Another good site.

Note that SH3Cmdr follows these historical guidelines in regards to the suggestions that it provides plus the availability date of each medal or badge, so you are not all alone.

[Grey Legion]

Originally Posted by JScones

Cick around http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/ as well. Good site.
http://www.axishistory.com/ as well. Another good site.

Note that SH3Cmdr follows these historical guidelines in regards to the suggestions that it provides plus the availability date of each medal or badge, so you are not all alone.

Really ??, good to know Thanks !!

Time to do some reading !!

[JScones]

As per the SH3Cmdr readme (relevant parts bolded)...

A Crew Manager component. By selecting the 'Manage your crew' action, players can:
- promote and demote within type (ie Officers, Petty Officers and Sailors);
- change crewmen names;
- give and remove medals based on historic criteria;
- give and remove badges based on historic criteria;
- give, adjust and remove qualifications (3 for officers and senior petty officers, 1 for petty officers and 1 for sailors);
- create a crew list for viewing (html format) and printing.

The Crew Manager warns if certain conditions are met, such as a crewman receiving medals before they are historically available, or if a crewman might be entitled to specific medals or badges and allows a "one click" auto fix.

If SH3Cmdr is so fervent about realism when giving out medals, why can't it get something simple like U-boat numbers right? If you start off with a IIa it insists on giving you U numbers which werent IIa boats.

When I do what you're doing (in my non-WaW careers) I use the following:

Wound badge for being wounded during a patrol.

U-boot Badge after two patrols (can't be awarded before 13 October 1939). Or after one patrol if wounded.

U-boot Combat Clasp after receipt of the U-boot Badge, for exceptional valor or for making a large number of sorties at the captain's discretion (can't be awarded before 15 May 1944). Basically, if I have someone who has made many patrols with me and has done something exceptional, I will give him the Combat Clasp. There was no set criteria for this one.

Iron Cross Second Class is reserved pretty much only for officers. There were men who received this but it would have been very rare. I end up giving one to my IWO after he's done his part in sinking many ships on night-time surface attacks. My L.I. might get one for saving the boat from a seemingly impossible situation after a prolonged wasserbombe attack. And so on.

Iron Cross First Class and up are pretty much off limits for my crew. My IWO *might* get an Iron Cross First Class if he does something truly amazing. Otherwise, no one gets this.

So it's pretty easy if you want to use historical medals, you can only award the three badges and the Iron Cross 2nd class.

[JScones]

Originally Posted by Kurushio

If SH3Cmdr is so fervent about realism when giving out medals, why can't it get something simple like U-boat numbers right? If you start off with a IIa it insists on giving you U numbers which werent IIa boats.

You know, I don't like wasting my time by answering the same questions twice, especially when asked by the same guy.

Use the forum search and you'll see I have already answered this for you.

Originally Posted by JScones

You know, I don't like wasting my time by answering the same questions twice, especially when asked by the same guy.

Use the forum search and you'll see I have already answered this for you.

I apologise, sir. I'm a post whore....as you know, whores have a hard time keeping track of things. Looking for it now...


edit: Ok, found it...finally. Thanks for the reply...I see what you mean. Good program by the way...I wont go on patrol without it....because I like to put a name to the merchants I sink.

[Grey Legion]

Originally Posted by Kurushio

I apologise, sir. I'm a post whore....as you know, whores have a hard time keeping track of things. Looking for it now...


edit: Ok, found it...finally. Thanks for the reply...I see what you mean. Good program by the way...I wont go on patrol without it....because I like to put a name to the merchants I sink.

How do you know what the ship you sunk name is ??

That is of interest to me !!

Originally Posted by JScones

You know, I don't like wasting my time by answering the same questions twice, especially when asked by the same guy.

Use the forum search and you'll see I have already answered this for you.

But because of his rude tone I'll answer it again anyway. There were only six Type IIa boats, and not one of them ever saw combat. The IIb was the earliest type II to see action, and the numbers SH3 Commander gives are the IIb (and IIc) numbers. Unfortunately the game won't respond to those kinds of changes, so it still gets called a IIa.

Before you use insulting phrases like "...why can't it get something simple like U-boat numbers right?", you might try doing a little research.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

But because of his rude tone I'll answer it again anyway. There were only six Type IIa boats, and not one of them ever saw combat. The IIb was the earliest type II to see action, and the numbers SH3 Commander gives are the IIb (and IIc) numbers. Unfortunately the game won't respond to those kinds of changes, so it still gets called a IIa.

Before you use insulting phrases like "...why can't it get something simple like U-boat numbers right?", you might try doing a little research.

Sailor Steve, you stand corrected....oh and how wrong you are my sailor buddy. By the way...just so you know, you are talking to a Type II freak here. I love the little boat.

U1 - Participated in two combat patrols: 29th March 1940 off Norway. And again on the 4th April. Both fruitless, but she was sunk by a British mine barrage Field No. 7. 24 dead-all hands lost.

U2 - Also participated in two fruitless combat patrols. Was sunk in an accident...

U3 - Participated in 5 combat patrols. Sunk 2 merchant ships for a total of 2,348 tonnes. She actually escaped an attack by the British sub HMS Porpoise.

U4 - Participated in 4 combat patrols. This was the most successful boat with 3 merchants sunk for a total of 5,133 tonnes and one warship (HMS Thistle) a British submarine for a total of 1,090 tonnes. Actually had quite a battle with her...here's a quick report: "The engagement was a lengthy one, as the two submarines were both small coastal craft with poor endurance, and so when Thistle attacked and missed U-4 on the 9 April, it gave U-4 a chance to evade and hunt her attacker, finally catching and sinking her as she recharged her batteries on the surface a day later."

U5 - Had two fruitless combat patrols.

U6 - Also had two fruitless combat patrols.


So as you can see...you're pretty far off the mark. In fact, U4 was one of the few boats to sink a British sub and all the type IIa completed at least a couple of combat patrols.

Oh...and I was "rude" because I didn't realise that bloke was the actual maker of SHcommander...otherwise I would've been a bit more diplomatic. I still think it wasn't necessary to change the Type IIa numbers to the Type IIb...and I will just roll the dice and choose a number that way next time I play on a IIa...for historical accuracy.

Over and out.

Cool. I roll dice for lots of things, including which number I actually pick.

http://www.uboat.net/boats/index01.html
You're right, they did do "Front" patrols, but the numbers I see are different than the ones you post:
U-1: 1 patrol, the others were training.
U-2: 1 patrol, the others were training. It says 2 patrols, but the listing says otherwise.
U-3: 2 of the "5" were combat patrols, the other 3 were training.
U-4: Again the actual listings are at variance with the stated "4" patrols. They list 6, 2 of which are front line.
U-5: Again they say 2 patrols, but list 5, and only one of those says "Front Patrol"
U-6: Same thing-2 patrols, but list shows 5, only one of which is war patrol.

Which one is correct?

But you're right; they all did at least one war patrol.

I also posted before I saw your post about looking for the other thread.

I apologise. I don't usually react that way.

Well, usually, but not most of the time.

Well, most of the time, but certainly not all of the time.