Newbie problem with torpedos

herrkapitan · 05-12-06, 05:41 PM

I am new to SH3, but love the game.
I am doing a career, finished 4 patrols.

On my 5th patrol I ran across a C2 Cargo and I setup a silent/perfect trap. I used automatic targeting and once the ship was about 180-200 m I launched my torpedo after it was 'green' in the periscope view.

The torpedo 'missed'? How did that happen?

So I come around, setup another shot and launch another torpedo with the C2 Cargo dead ahead of me. Missed again!!! I was about 150 m from the ship.

Now what am I doing wrong? Am I too close? What is the minimum range for a torpedo to be armed?

Or is my depth in correct? I tried changing it in TDC to be about 3 m from 4 m default and it made no difference.

Any help would be appreciated as I am pulling my hair out.

Khayman · 05-12-06, 05:45 PM

It takes 300m for the warhead in the torpedo to arm. So your ones would have bounced off the hull. Don't go so close next time

SeeStark · 05-12-06, 05:46 PM

What were the weather conditions? If you have a lock on the periscope it can be lost in seconds by a wave washing over the scope, and it will stay in the postion that the scow was in before the wave washed over. Other than that, the C2 could have changed speed quickly, which has happened to me a few times, which is annoying when you launch a 4 tube salvo.

In what way did they miss? Did they go under, to the side or just bounce off??

herrkapitan · 05-12-06, 05:54 PM

Ah, I didn't know that I need atleast 300 m for my torpedos to fire reliably.

I will stay further away next time.

Hmm, since I had no Picture in Picture enabled I don't know how they missed. But I will keep an eye out.

Thanks for your help guys..

Khayman · 05-12-06, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herrkapitan

Hmm, since I had no Picture in Picture enabled I don't know how they missed. But I will keep an eye out.

They will have clanged off the hull. I did the same as you before I found out they needed at least 300m

deadactionman · 05-15-06, 06:04 AM

Has anyone found a way to reduced the time it takes for fired torpedos to arm themselves. I've seen a few films where the captain orders the fail-safes removed so he can attack at extremely short range (not always with the desired result)

DeepSix · 05-15-06, 06:09 AM

I think technically that the minimum time for them to arm is 15 seconds, which *usually* (but not always) works out to about 300m in the game. I might be wrong but I don't think there's a way to reduce it.

GreyOctober · 05-15-06, 06:13 AM

Well, not really because for a 30 kt torp it takes 10 secs and for a 40 kt one it takes 7.5 seconds on a 300m run.

McBeck · 05-15-06, 06:42 AM

Allso....remember to open the torpedo doors before firering.
The solution on the target is made on the assumption that the doors are open

USE THE "Q" KEY TO OPEN THEM!

Also read the community manuals

http://www.communitymanuals.com/shii...itle=Main_Page

Scorpius · 05-15-06, 08:03 AM

I would like to know why this is the case in real life. Why not arm it 5m from the tube?

Dowly · 05-15-06, 08:06 AM

Maybe it has something to do with the safety of the sub. If a magnetic torpedo getÂ´s stuck in the tube '5m' fuse is a abit short time to get the torpedo out of the tube.

Khayman · 05-15-06, 11:04 AM

Also, one of the torpedo problems in the war was premature detonation - after the torpedo has armed but before it reaches the target. If they were set to 5m then a number of subs would probably have blown themselves up. Not a good way to fight a war

SeeStark · 05-15-06, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McBeck

Allso....remember to open the torpedo doors before firering.
The solution on the target is made on the assumption that the doors are open

USE THE "Q" KEY TO OPEN THEM!

Also read the community manuals

http://www.communitymanuals.com/shii...itle=Main_Page

I can definately back this up, there was a big difference when attacking fast moving ships.

Out of interest, in real life was there a fail safe to prevent torpedos from being fired with the doors closed?

tbarak · 05-15-06, 01:55 PM

Yeah the fail safe was the distance which was measured by the spinning propeller at the front. In order for the propeller to spin it had to be traveling.

Seminole · 05-15-06, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herrkapitan

Ah, I didn't know that I need atleast 300 m for my torpedos to fire reliably.

I will stay further away next time.

Hmm, since I had no Picture in Picture enabled I don't know how they missed. But I will keep an eye out.

Thanks for your help guys..

It isn't they won't fire...they need a minimum run of 300m to "arm" before they will detonate.

This was built in as a safety margin factor ....you really don't want a torpedo going off while close to your boat...or even still in the tube...

05-12-06, 05:41 PM	#1
herrkapitan Nub Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Newbie problem with torpedos I am new to SH3, but love the game. I am doing a career, finished 4 patrols. On my 5th patrol I ran across a C2 Cargo and I setup a silent/perfect trap. I used automatic targeting and once the ship was about 180-200 m I launched my torpedo after it was 'green' in the periscope view. The torpedo 'missed'? How did that happen? So I come around, setup another shot and launch another torpedo with the C2 Cargo dead ahead of me. Missed again!!! I was about 150 m from the ship. Now what am I doing wrong? Am I too close? What is the minimum range for a torpedo to be armed? Or is my depth in correct? I tried changing it in TDC to be about 3 m from 4 m default and it made no difference. Any help would be appreciated as I am pulling my hair out.

05-15-06, 06:04 AM	#6
deadactionman Shore leave Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NE England Posts: 70 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Has anyone found a way to reduced the time it takes for fired torpedos to arm themselves. I've seen a few films where the captain orders the fail-safes removed so he can attack at extremely short range (not always with the desired result) __________________ 'Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.

05-15-06, 06:09 AM	#7
DeepSix Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Music City Posts: 683 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I think technically that the minimum time for them to arm is 15 seconds, which usually (but not always) works out to about 300m in the game. I might be wrong but I don't think there's a way to reduce it. __________________ Jack's happy days will soon be gone, To return again, oh never! For they've raised his pay five cents a day, But they've stopped his grog forever. For tonight we'll merry, merry be, For tonight we'll merry, merry be, For tonight we'll merry, merry be, But tomorrow we'll be sober. - "Farewell to Grog"

05-15-06, 06:13 AM	#8
GreyOctober Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 394 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Well, not really because for a 30 kt torp it takes 10 secs and for a 40 kt one it takes 7.5 seconds on a 300m run. __________________

05-15-06, 06:42 AM	#9
McBeck Admiral Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,027 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Allso....remember to open the torpedo doors before firering. The solution on the target is made on the assumption that the doors are open USE THE "Q" KEY TO OPEN THEM! Also read the community manuals http://www.communitymanuals.com/shii...itle=Main_Page __________________ "I like subcommanders...they dont have time for bull**!" Proud member of the Subsim army of zombies Becks website

05-12-06, 05:45 PM	#2
Khayman Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 258 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	It takes 300m for the warhead in the torpedo to arm. So your ones would have bounced off the hull. Don't go so close next time

05-12-06, 05:46 PM	#3
SeeStark Watch Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: UK (EGTC) Posts: 22 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What were the weather conditions? If you have a lock on the periscope it can be lost in seconds by a wave washing over the scope, and it will stay in the postion that the scow was in before the wave washed over. Other than that, the C2 could have changed speed quickly, which has happened to me a few times, which is annoying when you launch a 4 tube salvo. In what way did they miss? Did they go under, to the side or just bounce off??

05-12-06, 05:54 PM	#4
herrkapitan Nub Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ah, I didn't know that I need atleast 300 m for my torpedos to fire reliably. I will stay further away next time. Hmm, since I had no Picture in Picture enabled I don't know how they missed. But I will keep an eye out. Thanks for your help guys..

05-15-06, 08:03 AM	#10
Scorpius Sparky Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 152 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I would like to know why this is the case in real life. Why not arm it 5m from the tube?

05-15-06, 08:06 AM	#11
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Maybe it has something to do with the safety of the sub. If a magnetic torpedo getÂ´s stuck in the tube '5m' fuse is a abit short time to get the torpedo out of the tube.

05-15-06, 11:04 AM	#12
Khayman Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 258 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Also, one of the torpedo problems in the war was premature detonation - after the torpedo has armed but before it reaches the target. If they were set to 5m then a number of subs would probably have blown themselves up. Not a good way to fight a war

05-15-06, 01:55 PM	#14
tbarak Sparky Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 151 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yeah the fail safe was the distance which was measured by the spinning propeller at the front. In order for the propeller to spin it had to be traveling.