SH60 piloting tricks

Sgian Dubh · 04-25-06, 03:28 PM

So I have been trying my hand at the SH60 for grins.

So far I like the platform except for one exceptional problem which, in many ways, renders the SH60 as a "mini-Orion".

A helo's main advantage is to hover and then to proceed from place to place without having to fly big figure "8s". So I was trying to move the SH60 along a somewhat complicated set of waypoints. I noticed that it was overflying the waypoints and acting far more like a fixed wing instead of a helo.

But I said to myself, no problem. The Ai just isn't refined enough to really take advantage of the helo's flight characteristics. So I changed my waypoint configuration to "one-at-a-time" and allowed the helo to come to a hover at each way point before proceeding to the next one.

Boy was I surprised and disappointed when the helo, starting from a hover, had to fly a rather large (nearly 2 nm circle) to come about to the new course heading.

*Sarcasm on* Did the programmers not notice that there is this large, fan-like device on the SH60. It's called a tail-rotor and it serves to stabilize the yaw/heading of the helo. When a helo is in a hover and needs to change from a heading of 090 to 270, the pilot simply eases up on the rotor and the helo pivots in place. It can then proceed along the new heading. *Sarcasm off*.

Now, I will admit that initially, I did not see this taking place and/or I was more concerned with my sonobouys. I will pay closer attention next time. Perhaps I changed something and didn't realise it. But I don't think so.
It certainly makes setting up MAD runs far more tedious with the SH60 than need be if this behaviour persists.

Wim Libaers · 04-25-06, 04:01 PM

If you want them to fly like that, try letting them stop, then set a new course (not a waypoint, just point them in the direction where you will put the new waypoint), and then give it the waypoint (or just a speed).

Sgian Dubh · 04-25-06, 04:30 PM

I just confirmed that they waypoints issue is real.

I will try changing course manually first. A bit of micromanagement that is irritating, but so long as there is a work-around.

swimsalot · 04-25-06, 10:22 PM

I fly the Seahwak alot, and to be honest I rarely use the waypoints.
In the Orion I often do, as there is so much information to process, with 16grams, and higher speeds.
The helo has rather limited incoming info, so I typically use manual course settings; thus, I never have the course errors you are getting.

Good Luck!

Ultraboy · 04-26-06, 01:33 AM

This is something I really have to work on. For the moment I kind of rely on the waypoints, or at least autopilot, because years of Battlefield 2/Battlefield Vietnam have ruined my helicopter flying ability.
As swimsalot said, using manual course settings is a decent alternative, and when used in concert with speed/altitude hotkeys can work pretty good.

But, after reading Red Storm Rising again, I find myself wanting to actually fly the thing, and early tests have shown I need some work.

LuftWolf · 04-26-06, 11:36 AM

Hoving in the helo always worked fine for me... I use the "0" or HOVER command, as it is named, oddly enough...

Linton · 04-26-06, 02:58 PM

This will never be a flightsim with some tactical work thrown in,but rather the opposite.Being pedantic helicopters are usually flown from the rhs.Also you do not rudder the helicopter around-the disc actually tilts to do this.

Bellman · 04-27-06, 02:35 AM

L: Well I'm sure your 'colleagues' woud'nt approve of your Gunship 2000 type simplification but understandable here
for brevity purposes.In fact flying a helicopter requires a subtle blend of inputs form the cyclic, collective and throttle.
Its a question of managing imbalance.

Many heli flight sims were produced in the 90s - I own and flew most. The majority over simplified and only Microsoft
captured some of the essence.

IMO the MH60 in game is appropriate for its simulated tasks and its ease of operation judged for the general
non-flight sim punter. Thats not to say we cant be pickey about elements of its performance !

Wildcat · 04-29-06, 03:35 AM

If I remember correctly the blackhawk helicopter is piloted from the left seat in real life, so it's represented accurately in the game in that respect.

The hover thing is definately irritating, sometimes the helo just takes off while I have the dipping sonar down and rips it off the aircraft, even on autopilot. So I generally just leave the helo flying to the computer, I'm more than happy enough just driving the FFG.

04-25-06, 03:28 PM	#1
Sgian Dubh Officer Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 245 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	SH60 piloting tricks So I have been trying my hand at the SH60 for grins. So far I like the platform except for one exceptional problem which, in many ways, renders the SH60 as a "mini-Orion". A helo's main advantage is to hover and then to proceed from place to place without having to fly big figure "8s". So I was trying to move the SH60 along a somewhat complicated set of waypoints. I noticed that it was overflying the waypoints and acting far more like a fixed wing instead of a helo. But I said to myself, no problem. The Ai just isn't refined enough to really take advantage of the helo's flight characteristics. So I changed my waypoint configuration to "one-at-a-time" and allowed the helo to come to a hover at each way point before proceeding to the next one. Boy was I surprised and disappointed when the helo, starting from a hover, had to fly a rather large (nearly 2 nm circle) to come about to the new course heading. Sarcasm on Did the programmers not notice that there is this large, fan-like device on the SH60. It's called a tail-rotor and it serves to stabilize the yaw/heading of the helo. When a helo is in a hover and needs to change from a heading of 090 to 270, the pilot simply eases up on the rotor and the helo pivots in place. It can then proceed along the new heading. Sarcasm off. Now, I will admit that initially, I did not see this taking place and/or I was more concerned with my sonobouys. I will pay closer attention next time. Perhaps I changed something and didn't realise it. But I don't think so. It certainly makes setting up MAD runs far more tedious with the SH60 than need be if this behaviour persists.

04-26-06, 11:36 AM	#6
LuftWolf Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Free New York Posts: 3,167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Hoving in the helo always worked fine for me... I use the "0" or HOVER command, as it is named, oddly enough... __________________ LW

04-26-06, 02:58 PM	#7
Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This will never be a flightsim with some tactical work thrown in,but rather the opposite.Being pedantic helicopters are usually flown from the rhs.Also you do not rudder the helicopter around-the disc actually tilts to do this. __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

04-27-06, 02:35 AM	#8
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	L: Well I'm sure your 'colleagues' woud'nt approve of your Gunship 2000 type simplification but understandable here for brevity purposes.In fact flying a helicopter requires a subtle blend of inputs form the cyclic, collective and throttle. Its a question of managing imbalance. Many heli flight sims were produced in the 90s - I own and flew most. The majority over simplified and only Microsoft captured some of the essence. IMO the MH60 in game is appropriate for its simulated tasks and its ease of operation judged for the general non-flight sim punter. Thats not to say we cant be pickey about elements of its performance ! __________________ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

04-25-06, 04:01 PM	#2
Wim Libaers Samurai Navy Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Flanders Posts: 569 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	If you want them to fly like that, try letting them stop, then set a new course (not a waypoint, just point them in the direction where you will put the new waypoint), and then give it the waypoint (or just a speed).

04-25-06, 04:30 PM	#3
Sgian Dubh Officer Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 245 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I just confirmed that they waypoints issue is real. I will try changing course manually first. A bit of micromanagement that is irritating, but so long as there is a work-around.

04-25-06, 10:22 PM	#4
swimsalot Helmsman Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Seattle, wa usa Posts: 102 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I fly the Seahwak alot, and to be honest I rarely use the waypoints. In the Orion I often do, as there is so much information to process, with 16grams, and higher speeds. The helo has rather limited incoming info, so I typically use manual course settings; thus, I never have the course errors you are getting. Good Luck!

04-26-06, 01:33 AM	#5
Ultraboy Gunner Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Mysterious Canadas Posts: 99 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	This is something I really have to work on. For the moment I kind of rely on the waypoints, or at least autopilot, because years of Battlefield 2/Battlefield Vietnam have ruined my helicopter flying ability. As swimsalot said, using manual course settings is a decent alternative, and when used in concert with speed/altitude hotkeys can work pretty good. But, after reading Red Storm Rising again, I find myself wanting to actually fly the thing, and early tests have shown I need some work.

04-29-06, 03:35 AM	#9
Wildcat Engineer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 215 Downloads: 69 Uploads: 0	If I remember correctly the blackhawk helicopter is piloted from the left seat in real life, so it's represented accurately in the game in that respect. The hover thing is definately irritating, sometimes the helo just takes off while I have the dipping sonar down and rips it off the aircraft, even on autopilot. So I generally just leave the helo flying to the computer, I'm more than happy enough just driving the FFG.