Flag color question

Wolfram · 02-09-06, 12:46 PM

I spot a small merchant & line myself up for the intercept and wait submerged till she is real close.

She gets about 800m I make a final check of her colors - the flag definitely has a "union jack" and I refer to my ship recognition book; for I had never seen what almost looked like a British naval "union jack" (red on white) on a blue field with 4 red stars. Only was a guess it was New Zealand and that either:

a) I am have a bad book; on manual on my game New Zealand is red background, white stars

b) I have some strange GPU/card issue

c) having a bad day and I was seeing things

So question is do I have a bad manual or just getting bad graphics?

TIA

-Dreadnought- · 02-09-06, 12:50 PM

Hmm... Are you positive that it isnÂ´t an Australian ship? Or am I missing something...?

Boris · 02-09-06, 12:57 PM

Its obvously a kiwi ship, merchants have the country flag flying, and that is a new zealand ship you saw. I think the flag shown on the manual is the military flag... ie. German merchants fly the nazi flag, but kriegsmarine vessels fly the kriegsmarine flag.

02-09-06, 01:20 PM

The Royal Autralian Navy and the Royal New Zealand Navy Ensign of WWII:

The Australian Merchantile Navy:

The New Zealand Merchantile Navy:

Dont get em mixed up or you will have a bunch of angry Aussies an Kiwis out for blood !

Wolfram · 02-09-06, 01:53 PM

ok I trust you gents to be correct but maybe I was tired/fatigued could have sworn I saw the national flag on this page =

http://www.flags.net/NWZE.htm

Thanks for the replies

Boris · 02-09-06, 06:17 PM

Huh... I'm absolutely certain though, that in the game australian merchants fly the blue national flag, and pretty certain that the new-zealanders fly theirs also.
I take it this is a mistake in th game?

02-09-06, 08:24 PM

Yep, the Blue Ensign did not come into existance until AFTER WWII. And its never been used by Merchants in a state of war. Its now only flown at the Highest point of the Mast when a Merchant Ship enters a Port. At all other times the Red Duster (Red Ensign) is flown from the rear most Point of a ship (And on a mast, jackstay of some kind).

Wolfram · 02-09-06, 09:27 PM

Educational

thankyou all!

I did indeed make a minor mistake in that the flag I saw flying must have been Australian.

I spotted another one of these merchants in the Mediterrain CN25. This time I made a screen shot then compared it to a picture of the current Australian flag - they matched I had missed in the first encounter the additonal marking directly below the unionjack.

It makes sense but as the learned Cdre Gibs points out this is a post WW2 flag but the ship id book shows I guess the WW2 version in red?

Again my thanks for clearing this one up. Was worried something more sinister afoot - like a bad video card or driver corrupt.

02-09-06, 10:16 PM

Ok, here is a wee lil Flag Patch. This is not a MOD release nor shoud it be countered as such. Its based off Serg's work and some1 else's that I can no longer remember who. It has included markings for AC to match if you want it. There is no readme as I dont consider this a mod. Just unzip and copy or cut and paste into your SilentHunter III Folder.

http://www.git.com.au/~voyager_tek/flag_patch.zip

PS: The "Marking under the Union Jack" is the 7 Pointer Star of Federation of Australia. 1 Point for each State and Territory, bar 1, the ACT.

Wolfram · 02-09-06, 11:50 PM

Cdre Gibs,

Sir you are a gentlman

Education and assistance.

I shall load it up later - for me in the Rockies its been a long day and an early wake up again for another day of work.

My sincere thank you mister.

JScones · 02-10-06, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cdre Gibs

PS: The "Marking under the Union Jack" is the 7 Pointer Star of Federation of Australia. 1 Point for each State and Territory, bar 1, the ACT.

At the risk of being flamed for being pedantic (or maybe I'm being precious because I'm moving to the ACT next week LOL), the seventh point represents *all* of Australia's territories, including the two mainland territories and eight external territories:

-Ashmore and Cartier Islands (pop: 0)
-Australian Antarctic Territory (pop: a couple of transient scientists)
-Christmas Island (pop: 1300)
-Cocos (Keeling) Islands (pop: 600)
-Coral Sea Islands (pop: 3)
-Heard Island and McDonald Islands (pop: 0)
-Jervis Bay Territory (pop: 600 Navy dudes)
-Norfolk Island (pop: 2000)

Hehe...I love some of those populations...

Ironically the extra point was originally added to represent the Territory of Papua...which is no longer an Australian territory!

Wolfram · 02-10-06, 09:44 AM

Great stuff gentlemen.

Up here in the Rocky mountians I feel like a crazy old hermit sometimes. I have been to Europe several times and traveled by ship on the Atlantic & Baltic but I confess tunnel vision (limited sight) when it comes to the Pacific and our friends on that side of the world. Maybe a rebellion issue - my dad served in Pacific Theatre never talked much but he seemed to have great like for the Allies he served with....

Please keep posting might be the best flamer I ever started....

02-10-06, 11:16 AM

Well I'm only going by what I was told in the Army. This is by no means the "Correct" History, but that was the info we were given as to how it was Originaly desigend. As to what it now Politicaly Correctedness means is another thing entirely. As always things change but its origins are definatley not what they mean now.

JScones · 02-10-06, 09:09 PM

Unfortunately, your lecturer was wrong.

The addition of a 7th point to represent Australian Territories was announced in the Commonwealth of Australia Gazette No. 65 (page 1709) on 19 December 1908. Although Australia only had one territory - Papua - at that time, this foresight was not surprising as plans were afoot for the creation of a Federal Capital Territory, which officially came into being with the NT on 1 January 1911.

I don't think political correctness existed in Australia in 1908, or even 1911 when through conscious decision it was beyond doubt what the 7th point represented...

The change over time means that the 7th point now covers the creation of any new states as well, but we'll see what happens if the northerners (either NT or FNQ "Capricornia") ever vote for statehood (Aussies may recall that NT voted against it in 1998). Although there's prolly more chance of NZ becoming a state before FNQ... :rotfl: (tongue FIRMLY in cheek here guys).

BTW, is the NZ merchant flag incorrectly modelled in the game with 7-pointed stars, like the image above?

Boris · 02-11-06, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JScones

BTW, is the NZ merchant flag incorrectly modelled in the game with 7-pointed stars, like the image above?

Nope, the stars are 5 pointed, only thing is in the original unmodded game, the flag is blue and not red...

02-09-06, 12:46 PM	#1
Wolfram Weps Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: periscope depth Posts: 354 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Flag color question I spot a small merchant & line myself up for the intercept and wait submerged till she is real close. She gets about 800m I make a final check of her colors - the flag definitely has a "union jack" and I refer to my ship recognition book; for I had never seen what almost looked like a British naval "union jack" (red on white) on a blue field with 4 red stars. Only was a guess it was New Zealand and that either: a) I am have a bad book; on manual on my game New Zealand is red background, white stars b) I have some strange GPU/card issue c) having a bad day and I was seeing things So question is do I have a bad manual or just getting bad graphics? TIA

02-09-06, 12:50 PM	#2
-Dreadnought- Sailor man Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 49 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hmm... Are you positive that it isnÂ´t an Australian ship? Or am I missing something...? __________________ If this is the day we shall fall, then let us go down with honour, and be remembered as the lonely knights of the sea, the men who felt mercy but were unable to give it... Because that is what we are.

02-09-06, 12:57 PM	#3
Boris Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 1,691 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Its obvously a kiwi ship, merchants have the country flag flying, and that is a new zealand ship you saw. I think the flag shown on the manual is the military flag... ie. German merchants fly the nazi flag, but kriegsmarine vessels fly the kriegsmarine flag.

02-09-06, 01:20 PM	#4
Cdre Gibs Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	The Royal Autralian Navy and the Royal New Zealand Navy Ensign of WWII: The Australian Merchantile Navy: The New Zealand Merchantile Navy: Dont get em mixed up or you will have a bunch of angry Aussies an Kiwis out for blood !

02-09-06, 01:53 PM	#5
Wolfram Weps Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: periscope depth Posts: 354 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	ok I trust you gents to be correct but maybe I was tired/fatigued could have sworn I saw the national flag on this page = http://www.flags.net/NWZE.htm Thanks for the replies

02-09-06, 06:17 PM	#6
Boris Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 1,691 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Huh... I'm absolutely certain though, that in the game australian merchants fly the blue national flag, and pretty certain that the new-zealanders fly theirs also. I take it this is a mistake in th game?

02-09-06, 08:24 PM	#7
Cdre Gibs Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Yep, the Blue Ensign did not come into existance until AFTER WWII. And its never been used by Merchants in a state of war. Its now only flown at the Highest point of the Mast when a Merchant Ship enters a Port. At all other times the Red Duster (Red Ensign) is flown from the rear most Point of a ship (And on a mast, jackstay of some kind).

02-09-06, 09:27 PM	#8
Wolfram Weps Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: periscope depth Posts: 354 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Educational thankyou all! I did indeed make a minor mistake in that the flag I saw flying must have been Australian. I spotted another one of these merchants in the Mediterrain CN25. This time I made a screen shot then compared it to a picture of the current Australian flag - they matched I had missed in the first encounter the additonal marking directly below the unionjack. It makes sense but as the learned Cdre Gibs points out this is a post WW2 flag but the ship id book shows I guess the WW2 version in red? Again my thanks for clearing this one up. Was worried something more sinister afoot - like a bad video card or driver corrupt.

02-09-06, 10:16 PM	#9
Cdre Gibs Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Ok, here is a wee lil Flag Patch. This is not a MOD release nor shoud it be countered as such. Its based off Serg's work and some1 else's that I can no longer remember who. It has included markings for AC to match if you want it. There is no readme as I dont consider this a mod. Just unzip and copy or cut and paste into your SilentHunter III Folder. http://www.git.com.au/~voyager_tek/flag_patch.zip PS: The "Marking under the Union Jack" is the 7 Pointer Star of Federation of Australia. 1 Point for each State and Territory, bar 1, the ACT.

02-09-06, 11:50 PM	#10
Wolfram Weps Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: periscope depth Posts: 354 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Cdre Gibs, Sir you are a gentlman Education and assistance. I shall load it up later - for me in the Rockies its been a long day and an early wake up again for another day of work. My sincere thank you mister.

02-10-06, 09:44 AM	#12
Wolfram Weps Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: periscope depth Posts: 354 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Great stuff gentlemen. Up here in the Rocky mountians I feel like a crazy old hermit sometimes. I have been to Europe several times and traveled by ship on the Atlantic & Baltic but I confess tunnel vision (limited sight) when it comes to the Pacific and our friends on that side of the world. Maybe a rebellion issue - my dad served in Pacific Theatre never talked much but he seemed to have great like for the Allies he served with.... Please keep posting might be the best flamer I ever started....

02-10-06, 11:16 AM	#13
Cdre Gibs Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Well I'm only going by what I was told in the Army. This is by no means the "Correct" History, but that was the info we were given as to how it was Originaly desigend. As to what it now Politicaly Correctedness means is another thing entirely. As always things change but its origins are definatley not what they mean now.

02-10-06, 09:09 PM	#14
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Unfortunately, your lecturer was wrong. The addition of a 7th point to represent Australian Territories was announced in the Commonwealth of Australia Gazette No. 65 (page 1709) on 19 December 1908. Although Australia only had one territory - Papua - at that time, this foresight was not surprising as plans were afoot for the creation of a Federal Capital Territory, which officially came into being with the NT on 1 January 1911. I don't think political correctness existed in Australia in 1908, or even 1911 when through conscious decision it was beyond doubt what the 7th point represented... The change over time means that the 7th point now covers the creation of any new states as well, but we'll see what happens if the northerners (either NT or FNQ "Capricornia") ever vote for statehood (Aussies may recall that NT voted against it in 1998). Although there's prolly more chance of NZ becoming a state before FNQ... :rotfl: (tongue FIRMLY in cheek here guys). BTW, is the NZ merchant flag incorrectly modelled in the game with 7-pointed stars, like the image above?