Ageis platform and Virginia class

smrtwhkd · 12-13-05, 11:47 AM

Just a few sugguestions. Could we add an Ageis surface platform into the game, either Arleigh or Ticon, to keep the lonely FFG company?

Also, I think we should have the new Virgina class added in. It is a powerful platform and good for littoral combat. These are just some suggestions and I am not sure if this is the rite forum to put it.

Kapitan · 12-13-05, 01:07 PM

been there many times and done that many times how about some thing else non american or russian

german 212 214

british type 23

who knows

OneShot · 12-13-05, 03:13 PM

A quick search on the forums would have provided lots of similar threads, all pretty much with the same result. Yes there is demand for new plattforms (among them the Aegis ships), and no there will be no SCU like utility (SCS has forbidden that) and yes, SCS will think about a release of an expansion if sales for DW go well. At which time I guess they will actually ask around what plattforms the community would love the most to see in DW. Till then I would say this point is mood to discuss.

Deathblow · 12-13-05, 07:03 PM

Some report place the weapons capacity, vls tubes, speed, and diving depth of the LA and Virginia very similarly.... the main difference between the platforms behind noise level and periscope technology. You could always simulate the Virginia by reducing the noise levels of the LA to that of the SW. Then again.... a Virginia is just a slower SW with less weps capacity... nothing new there.

Apocal · 12-13-05, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by smrtwhkd

Just a few sugguestions. Could we add an Ageis surface platform into the game, either Arleigh or Ticon, to keep the lonely FFG company?

Also, I think we should have the new Virgina class added in. It is a powerful platform and good for littoral combat. These are just some suggestions and I am not sure if this is the rite forum to put it.

At first I wanted an AEGIS platform in DW. Then I realized that it's capabilities in AAW/ASuW were complete overkill in this sim, while it's ASW capabilities equal those of the present OHP. While it would be nice to be able to survive a stream raid of Sizzlers, it's much more important that every platform add another piece to the puzzle without stacking the deck.

That being said, put me in a DDG and terror will have a designation: RUM-139

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Fandango · 12-14-05, 02:54 AM

But let the additional platform(s) be russian...we need balance. There's no point in adding western platforms with no opponents...

Bellman · 12-14-05, 03:01 AM

I second that Fandango.

Fandango · 12-14-05, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bellman

I second that Fandango.

Well, this issue has been discussed many times in this forum...I'm just expressing what I think is the community's opinion on the matter...

I was playing with the FFG yesterday and realized how good it would be if there was a russian surface platform to control. You could make missions not only restricted to sub hunting...you could make surface based missions, too, which could include land attack or interdiction surface vs surface...and from BOTH sides. I'm talking about cooperative missions here...two or more players on a surface ship playing a single mission. A sub MAY be out there but not necessarily...you could use the probability to inclusion for the sub in the mission editor to give the mission some sort of "thrill"...

Bellman · 12-14-05, 03:38 AM

Yep - its like having one hand tied behind you. It limits the potential for achieving balanced gameplay
and flexibility of options in MP mision design.

goldorak · 12-14-05, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Fandango

But let the additional platform(s) be russian...we need balance. There's no point in adding western platforms with no opponents...

Yes, absolutely, bring on Ivan's navy :|\

Angle · 12-14-05, 12:51 PM

What Russian surface ship would be a "balance" to the FFG-7?

Kapitan · 12-14-05, 12:53 PM

a krivak III would be en par with a perry but the Krivak is acctualy classed as large corvette small frigate.

Udaloy is seen to russians as frigate but in the west as a cruiser same as sovremenny

btw its realy messed up the classification

TLAM Strike · 12-14-05, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Angle

What Russian surface ship would be a "balance" to the FFG-7?

A Neustrashimy, Udaloy or Krivak II/III are probaly the best options.

Angle · 12-14-05, 01:02 PM

Kapitain:

Not good enough ASUW warfare with that one.

SCS should have modeled a more capable ship besides the FFG-7. Then it would be easier to balance with an introduction of a new Opfor ship. Like Sovremenny or Udaloy.

Kapitan · 12-14-05, 01:07 PM

udaloy is over 500 feet long bigger and carrys more weapons than a frigate and cannot realy be classified frigate its more destroyer cruiser same with sovremenny but the udaloy is a very good ASW platform.

krivak III and IV is a sort of costal and sea going frigate ASW ASUW and some AAW its multi role.

the grisha is a ASW platform but thats a corvette

last time i saw an udaloy the 2nd officer remarked she is a bit*h to handle
meaning she is a bit too big

12-13-05, 11:47 AM	#1
smrtwhkd Watch Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 28 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Ageis platform and Virginia class Just a few sugguestions. Could we add an Ageis surface platform into the game, either Arleigh or Ticon, to keep the lonely FFG company? Also, I think we should have the new Virgina class added in. It is a powerful platform and good for littoral combat. These are just some suggestions and I am not sure if this is the rite forum to put it.

12-13-05, 01:07 PM	#2
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	been there many times and done that many times how about some thing else non american or russian german 212 214 british type 23 who knows __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

12-13-05, 03:13 PM	#3
OneShot Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 956 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	A quick search on the forums would have provided lots of similar threads, all pretty much with the same result. Yes there is demand for new plattforms (among them the Aegis ships), and no there will be no SCU like utility (SCS has forbidden that) and yes, SCS will think about a release of an expansion if sales for DW go well. At which time I guess they will actually ask around what plattforms the community would love the most to see in DW. Till then I would say this point is mood to discuss. __________________ All the things you always wanted to know about Dangerous Waters but never dared to ask!

12-14-05, 02:54 AM	#6
Fandango Officer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Trieste, Italy Posts: 236 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Re: Ageis platform and Virginia class But let the additional platform(s) be russian...we need balance. There's no point in adding western platforms with no opponents... __________________ The true worth of a man is to be measured by the objects he pursues. - Marcus Aurelius

12-14-05, 03:01 AM	#7
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	I second that Fandango. __________________ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

12-13-05, 07:03 PM	#4
Deathblow Captain Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 518 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Some report place the weapons capacity, vls tubes, speed, and diving depth of the LA and Virginia very similarly.... the main difference between the platforms behind noise level and periscope technology. You could always simulate the Virginia by reducing the noise levels of the LA to that of the SW. Then again.... a Virginia is just a slower SW with less weps capacity... nothing new there.

12-14-05, 03:38 AM	#9
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	Yep - its like having one hand tied behind you. It limits the potential for achieving balanced gameplay and flexibility of options in MP mision design. __________________ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

12-14-05, 12:51 PM	#11
Angle Seaman Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 32 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	What Russian surface ship would be a "balance" to the FFG-7?

12-14-05, 12:53 PM	#12
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	a krivak III would be en par with a perry but the Krivak is acctualy classed as large corvette small frigate. Udaloy is seen to russians as frigate but in the west as a cruiser same as sovremenny btw its realy messed up the classification __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

12-14-05, 01:02 PM	#14
Angle Seaman Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 32 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Kapitain: Not good enough ASUW warfare with that one. SCS should have modeled a more capable ship besides the FFG-7. Then it would be easier to balance with an introduction of a new Opfor ship. Like Sovremenny or Udaloy.

12-14-05, 01:07 PM	#15
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	udaloy is over 500 feet long bigger and carrys more weapons than a frigate and cannot realy be classified frigate its more destroyer cruiser same with sovremenny but the udaloy is a very good ASW platform. krivak III and IV is a sort of costal and sea going frigate ASW ASUW and some AAW its multi role. the grisha is a ASW platform but thats a corvette last time i saw an udaloy the 2nd officer remarked she is a bith to handle meaning she is a bit too big __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond* Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/