How does one become a muslim ?

[Sixpack]

By accident I found this during my Google travels this otherwise nice afternoon:

http://www.maghrebonline.nl/nl/islam...rdikmoslim.php


Alas, the English text would not open.

Hoe Word ik moslim? Theme: How do I become a muslim ?

1. Acknowledge that there is no other God but Allah
2. Acknowledge that Mohammed is Allah's prophet.

It goes on: Join a muslim community or be a founder. Follow only the Quran.

I wont bother you with what this moderate Dutch-muslim site writes about women who dress like Dutch women.

Intelligent fundamentalism at its best. Not breaking any rules but cleverly dismissing the Dutch/western infidel's culture as inferior and promoting non-integration of muslims.

Why do they want to live here ? Answer: ...... be a founder.

[Sixpack]

Feast your eyes on the latest mosq in my region. Hail the new founder.

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[M.Mira]

Islam means subjection or submission...

Yes Mira, you are right

[DAB]

Originally Posted by M.Mira

Islam means subjection or submission...

It actually means to give yourself to the mercy of god. The words subjection or submission can be used... but thats just a touch loaded and a gift to the Islamaphobic lobby on this forum.

[DAB]

Originally Posted by Sixpack

Intelligent fundamentalism at its best. Not breaking any rules but cleverly dismissing the Dutch/western infidel's culture as inferior and promoting non-integration of muslims.

Curious remarks from someone who someone else who considers some cultures inferior to his own.

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by DAB

It actually means to give yourself to the mercy of god. The words subjection or submission can be used... but thats just a touch loaded and a gift to the Islamaphobic lobby on this forum.

Thankyou. This is exactly what it's meaning is.

[awood6535]

It wouldn't have something to do with blowing up Women and Children. Oh I'm sorry If there Jews there not children. Right

[CCIP]

How does one become a muslim? By saying dada. :rotfl:

[joea]

Originally Posted by DAB

It actually means to give yourself to the mercy of god. The words subjection or submission can be used... but thats just a touch loaded and a gift to the Islamaphobic lobby on this forum.

Islamophobes on this forum?
Really?

[Abraham]

Originally Posted by DAB

It actually means to give yourself to the mercy of god...

Submission to Allah and his word, the Quran, I would say.

And that's where the misery starts for a religion - any religion - that has strict conformal rules, its own legal system (Sharia) and an pretentions of world wide domination.
Any form of intellectual criticism, be it theological, moral, historical, political, economical or sociological can always be suppressed by an appeal on fundamental Islam...
Liberal Muslims have (always had) a though time... they are seen as infidels by fundamental Islam.

[DAB]

Originally Posted by Abraham

Submission to Allah and his word, the Quran, I would say.

And that's where the misery starts for a religion - any religion - that has strict conformal rules, its own legal system (Sharia) and an pretentions of world wide domination.
Any form of intellectual criticism, be it theological, moral, historical, political, economical or sociological can always be suppressed by an appeal on fundamental Islam...
Liberal Muslims have (always had) a though time... they are seen as infidels by fundamental Islam.

Yeah...and I remember being expelled from Sunday School for suggesting Creationism was flawed.

Funny...fundermentalists seem to be there in ALL religions.

I love the fact that all these threads seem to be based on empahasis on certain words - with the arguments centering on their western meaning. Given the differences between English and my First Language (Welsh), there is no way that I am happy to make such presumptions

After all, literally translating terms for marrying from Welsh to English - you would get a phrase in English that suggests I own my wife. Let me assure you, we don't do that in North Wales.

Anouther example is that if you typed 'love' into an online translation dictionary - you would get 'Cariad'. Yet I would never say Cariad to my girlfriend, because the world has cultural connitations that means the only person who can acceptably use it is her father.

My point is that word empahsis is different in Indo European Germanic languages then it is to a Brythonic Celtic language and certainly very different to a Semitic Afro-Asiatic Language which is Arabic.

So short of you all getting out your dictionaries, translating the original text - and then proving the word context of all the verbs and adjatives in every sentace - all these arguments are actually useless. Because they are interpretations based on your word use, not a Muslims.

top tip from DAB: You won't be able to prove your arguments even then because interpretration will differ from one continent to the next.

[Abraham]

Originally Posted by DAB

Yeah...and I remember being expelled from Sunday School for suggesting Creationism was flawed.

Funny...fundermentalists seem to be there in ALL religions.

Sure, you being expelled from a Sunday school may have been a traumatic experience, but that can hardly be seen as a prohibition to your critical thinking and to express yourself freely in this Western society, as your posting proves. It was a Christian Sunday school and not a Public school that expelled you! The comparison is therefore invalid (and slightly ridiculous).
And yes, there are of course fundamentalists in every religion, people that take their faith serious. This goes for Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
Its the fundamentalist interpretation of his religion that determinates the behaviour of fundamentalists. If that religion does not accept the separation between State and Church and considers itself and its rules superior to Western nations and their Rule of Law, like fundamental Islam does, we have a problem.

And it's not just a matter of translation. as you said:

Originally Posted by DAB

My point is that word empahsis is different in Indo European Germanic languages... certainly very different to a Semitic Afro-Asiatic Language which is Arabic.

I conclude that Islam stems from a culture widely different from our modern Western culture.

It is the vision Islam holds on its own dominant position in all aspects of society that is the crux of the problem. It can realise that position in predominant Muslim countries, but not in a 21th century Western society. That attitude causes much misery for its followers in such a society...
It's a challenge for Islam to modernize and accept its proper place in our society: next and equal to other religions.
Will it ever be able to survive as such? I sometimes doubt it...

[Iceman]

How is kill the unbelieving infidels translated incorrectly?...Only if they are not mentally handicapped? ...or if they are facing the west on a rug ?...My phobia is kicking in again sorry.I devolped this strange phob seeing Nicholas Berg's head come off...maybe dat Zarqi guy has mis-translated the Koran wrong? Islam o phobia....I have a phobia when peoples heads are coming off sorry.

[caspofungin]

you're assuming that what zarqawi is doing is based on religion -- it's politics. being a muslim doesn't require you to chop peoples heads off. stop generalizing, or making erronous assumptions. zarqawi;s group kills plenty of iraqis, too -- i'm pretty sure it's not because those innocent iraqi's weren't muslim enough.