meaning of war?

Kapitan · 11-08-05, 03:45 PM

"war is a continuation of politics by other means" von closwitz

but the true meaning of war is to serve its self right?

in war the only true enamy is war so no one can win

whats your views ?

The Avon Lady · 11-08-05, 04:09 PM

Sure. The Allies didn't win and the Nazis didn't win. It was a tie!

Rhetoric.

Too much free time on your hands, Kaptain? :hmm:

Kapitan · 11-08-05, 04:53 PM

yes and a persistant pest saying submarines should all be gone is naggin me

TLAM Strike · 11-08-05, 05:12 PM

"Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bull****. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight."

"Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base."

-General George Smith Patton, Jr.
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gdogghenrikson · 11-08-05, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Sure. The Allies didn't win and the Nazis didn't win. It was a tie!

Rhetoric.

Too much free time on your hands, Kaptain? :hmm:

The allies won because the Naziz stopped killing the jews. And if some one didnt go to war with them they would have taken over Europe

gdogghenrikson · 11-08-05, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

"Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of b.s.. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight."

"Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base."

-General George Smith Patton, Jr.
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What you say is a ignorant and dissrespectfull

Happy Times · 11-08-05, 08:56 PM

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The allies won because the Naziz stopped killing the jews

What do you mean by this?

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What you say is a ignorant and dissrespectfull

Well, he is only quoting Patton, dont see your point? :hmm:

TLAM Strike · 11-08-05, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by gdogghenrikson

The allies won because the Naziz stopped killing the jews.

Ummmm no infact when they started losing they started killing them faster.

Rockstar · 11-08-05, 09:23 PM

The meaning of war according Websters 1828 Dictionary

War

WAR, n. [G., to perplex, embroil, disturb. The primary sense of the root is to strive, struggle, urge, drive, or to turn, to twist.]

1. A contest between nations or states, carried on by force, either for defense, or for revenging insults and redressing wrongs, for the extension of commerce or acquisition of territory, or for obtaining and establishing the superiority and dominion of one over the other. These objects are accomplished by the slaughter or capture of troops, and the capture and destruction of ships, towns and property. Among rude nations, war is often waged and carried on for plunder. As war is the contest of nations or states, it always implies that such contest is authorized by the monarch or the sovereign power of the nation. When war is commenced by attacking a nation in peace, it si called an offensive war, and such attack is aggressive. When war is undertaken to repel invasion or the attacks of an enemy, it is called defensive, and a defensive war is considered as justifiable. Very few of the wars that have desolated nations and deluged the earth with blood, have been justifiable. Happy would it be for mankind, if the prevalence of Christian principles might ultimately extinguish the spirit of war, and if the ambition to be great, might yield to the ambition of being good.

Preparation for war is sometimes the best security for peace.

2. In poetical language, instruments of war.

His complement of stores, and total war.

3. Poetically, forces; army.

Oer the embattled ranks the waves return, and overwhelm their war.

4. The profession of arms; art of war; as a fierce man of war. Isa 2.

5. Hostility; state of opposition or contest; act of opposition.

6. Enmity; disposition to contention.

The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart. Psa 55.

Man of war, in naval affairs, a ship of large size, armed and equipped for attack or defense.

Holy war, a crusade; a war undertaken to deliver the Holy Land, or Judea, from infidels. These holy wars were carried on by most unholy means.

WAR, v.i.

1. To make war; to invade or attack a nation or state with force of arms; to carry on hostilities; or to be in a state of contest by violence.

He teacheth my hands to war. 2 Sam 22.

And they warred against eh Midianites. Num 31.

Why should I war without the walls of Troy?

2. To contend; to strive violently; to be in a state of opposition.

Lusts which war against the soul. 1 Pet 2.

WAR, v.t.

1. To make war upon; as, to war the Scot. [Not used.]

2. To carry on a contest.

That thou mightest war a good warfare. 1 Tim 1.

Happy Times · 11-08-05, 10:10 PM

BTW this is the day "krystalnacht" took place

Iceman · 11-09-05, 03:43 AM

To me war simply ='s death.

Death is the one thing that was never meant to be.Men lived once I believe to 969 and would went up... indefinatley...now... we do good to make it to 60.The price of evil.

1 Corinthians 15
[22] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
[23] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
[24] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[25] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[26] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

My take on WAR6.84mb

kiwi_2005 · 11-09-05, 06:29 AM

War is caused through religeon?

http://www.everystudent.com/wires/justwar.html

werauchimmer · 11-10-05, 04:09 AM

Damn, why is it that everybody is fascinated by such topics but

1) The guy quoted in the first posting is spelled "von Clausewitz".
2) Its not "krystalnacht": It was called "Reichskristallnacht". The PC term nowadays is "Reichsprogromnacht".

The Avon Lady · 11-10-05, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by werauchimmer

2) Its not "krystalnacht": It was called "Reichskristallnacht".

It's known simply as Kristallnacht by everyone that I know, including those that survived it and are still alive and recalling it.

werauchimmer · 11-10-05, 04:44 AM

Okay, if you want it detailed:
In official Propaganda of the time it was called
"Judenaktion" (action against Jews), "Novemberaktion" (Only indicating the timeframe), "Vergeltungsaktion" (indicating revenge), "Sonderaktion" (Special action) or "Protest-Kundgebungen" (sounding so harmless as demonstration.

After the end of the regime there was a variety of names:
"Tag der Scherbe", "Reichsscherbenwoche", "Judennacht", "Pogromnacht", "Novemberpogrom", "Synagogensturm", "Synagogenbrand", "Novembernacht", "SynagogenstÃ¼rmernacht".

The East germans had another name:
"faschistische Pogromnacht".

"Kristallnacht" and "Reichskristallnacht" were the standard terms used in West-germany and amongst historians internationally until 1989. After the unification it was changed to "Reichsprogromnacht" because the original term "Reichskristallnacht" had lost its meaning (FYI: It was a term used on the streets of Berlin for the first time, and it was actually kinda critic of the regime. For someone reading it today it does sound the opposite, so the PC term today is (Reichs-)Pogromnacht.

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Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	meaning of war? "war is a continuation of politics by other means" von closwitz but the true meaning of war is to serve its self right? in war the only true enamy is war so no one can win whats your views ? __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

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The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Sure. The Allies didn't win and the Nazis didn't win. It was a tie! Rhetoric. Too much free time on your hands, Kaptain? :hmm: __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

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Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	yes and a persistant pest saying submarines should all be gone is naggin me __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

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TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	"Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bull****. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight." "Battle is the most magnificent competition in which a human being can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base." -General George Smith Patton, Jr. <0 __________________

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Happy Times Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 2,950 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	BTW this is the day "krystalnacht" took place __________________

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Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The meaning of war according Websters 1828 Dictionary War WAR, n. [G., to perplex, embroil, disturb. The primary sense of the root is to strive, struggle, urge, drive, or to turn, to twist.] 1. A contest between nations or states, carried on by force, either for defense, or for revenging insults and redressing wrongs, for the extension of commerce or acquisition of territory, or for obtaining and establishing the superiority and dominion of one over the other. These objects are accomplished by the slaughter or capture of troops, and the capture and destruction of ships, towns and property. Among rude nations, war is often waged and carried on for plunder. As war is the contest of nations or states, it always implies that such contest is authorized by the monarch or the sovereign power of the nation. When war is commenced by attacking a nation in peace, it si called an offensive war, and such attack is aggressive. When war is undertaken to repel invasion or the attacks of an enemy, it is called defensive, and a defensive war is considered as justifiable. Very few of the wars that have desolated nations and deluged the earth with blood, have been justifiable. Happy would it be for mankind, if the prevalence of Christian principles might ultimately extinguish the spirit of war, and if the ambition to be great, might yield to the ambition of being good. Preparation for war is sometimes the best security for peace. 2. In poetical language, instruments of war. His complement of stores, and total war. 3. Poetically, forces; army. Oer the embattled ranks the waves return, and overwhelm their war. 4. The profession of arms; art of war; as a fierce man of war. Isa 2. 5. Hostility; state of opposition or contest; act of opposition. 6. Enmity; disposition to contention. The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart. Psa 55. Man of war, in naval affairs, a ship of large size, armed and equipped for attack or defense. Holy war, a crusade; a war undertaken to deliver the Holy Land, or Judea, from infidels. These holy wars were carried on by most unholy means. WAR, v.i. 1. To make war; to invade or attack a nation or state with force of arms; to carry on hostilities; or to be in a state of contest by violence. He teacheth my hands to war. 2 Sam 22. And they warred against eh Midianites. Num 31. Why should I war without the walls of Troy? 2. To contend; to strive violently; to be in a state of opposition. Lusts which war against the soul. 1 Pet 2. WAR, v.t. 1. To make war upon; as, to war the Scot. [Not used.] 2. To carry on a contest. That thou mightest war a good warfare. 1 Tim 1.

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Iceman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mesa AZ, Arizona, USA Posts: 1,253 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	To me war simply ='s death. Death is the one thing that was never meant to be.Men lived once I believe to 969 and would went up... indefinatley...now... we do good to make it to 60.The price of evil. 1 Corinthians 15 [22] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. [23] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. [24] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. [25] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. [26] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. My take on *WAR*6.84mb

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kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	War is caused through religeon? http://www.everystudent.com/wires/justwar.html __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

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werauchimmer Seaman Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 35 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Damn, why is it that everybody is fascinated by such topics but 1) The guy quoted in the first posting is spelled "von Clausewitz". 2) Its not "krystalnacht": It was called "Reichskristallnacht". The PC term nowadays is "Reichsprogromnacht".

11-10-05, 04:44 AM	#15
werauchimmer Seaman Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 35 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Okay, if you want it detailed: In official Propaganda of the time it was called "Judenaktion" (action against Jews), "Novemberaktion" (Only indicating the timeframe), "Vergeltungsaktion" (indicating revenge), "Sonderaktion" (Special action) or "Protest-Kundgebungen" (sounding so harmless as demonstration. After the end of the regime there was a variety of names: "Tag der Scherbe", "Reichsscherbenwoche", "Judennacht", "Pogromnacht", "Novemberpogrom", "Synagogensturm", "Synagogenbrand", "Novembernacht", "SynagogenstÃ¼rmernacht". The East germans had another name: "faschistische Pogromnacht". "Kristallnacht" and "Reichskristallnacht" were the standard terms used in West-germany and amongst historians internationally until 1989. After the unification it was changed to "Reichsprogromnacht" because the original term "Reichskristallnacht" had lost its meaning (FYI: It was a term used on the streets of Berlin for the first time, and it was actually kinda critic of the regime. For someone reading it today it does sound the opposite, so the PC term today is (Reichs-)Pogromnacht.