SH3 Commander question

[larsen]

I've noticed something odd since 1.42 in the default crew generated for a new campaign : You're supposed to be a Leutnant, so your officers should have lower grades, but 2 of them are also Leutnants and one is even Oberleutnant ! Wouldn't it make more sense that the commander (you) is at least Oberleutnant and the other officers either Oberfähnrich or Leutnant ?

Also I noticed one Bootsmann has two qualifications. Is it reflected in the game (increase of is efficiency in both positions) or is it purely esthetic ?

[larsen]

Someone ?

[stratege]

Heuuuuuu, i have notice that too, but, those thing have really happend in real war history.

The U178 captain was ranked below his second officer. I have notice that from the after combat report from the usnavy and also in the pow interviews.

If i find the link back, wiil post it.

[larsen]

Originally Posted by stratege

Heuuuuuu, i have notice that too, but, those thing have really happend in real war history.

The U178 captain was ranked below his second officer. I have notice that from the after combat report from the usnavy and also in the pow interviews.

If i find the link back, wiil post it.

Really ? Sounds a little odd but I'll check if I find something...

[larsen]

Mmmm, from what I've read in www.uboat.net most commanders were either Oberleutnants or Kapitänleutnants... I didn't check exensively though, only browsed information about twenty random uboats...

[Beery]

You could have an LI Oberleutnant who was commanded by a Leutnant zur See, because an Oberleutnant of Engineering is regarded as being of lesser rank than a Leutnant zur See. You could also have an Oberleutnant zur See under the command of a Leutnant if the Oberleutnant was in training to be a U-boat commander. It happened quite a bit.

As for the NCO with two qualifications, this is the Obersteuermann, and he has the responsibility to oversee the third sea watch and to oversee the navigation. The navigation qualification is purely to show that he is the Obersteuermann. His navigation qualification doesn't work.

Second what Beery said. After looking at it long enough I noticed that the Oberleutnant is always the same guy with the Repair qualification. I just assumed he was the Chief, and didn't want (or wasn't considered) for actual command. Of course it took a lot of conversations before someone pointed out to me that in the Kriegsmarine the Chief of the Boat was an officer, as opposed to the US Navy where he's the senior enlisted man. Still commands the same respect, though.

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

in the Kriegsmarine the Chief of the Boat was an officer, as opposed to the US Navy where he's the senior enlisted man. Still commands the same respect, though.

Wouldn't that be closer to the Obersteuermann's role then? :hmm:

Personally, I absolutely love this whole immersion-oriented crew-tinkering thing, and the Commander sure helps. I wish the Commander also included a system whereby it'd simulate crew transfers and so on (for instance, you could press a button, and it would select a number of crew to transfer off the boat after completing a certain number of patrols). Could be pretty neat. I already do it by hand, myself...
:hmm:

[Beery]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Wouldn't that be closer to the Obersteuermann's role then? :hmm:

Yeah. If I was to take an educated guess, I'd say that the US 'Chief of the Boat' is basically the LI and the Obersteuermann rolled into one.

[Observer]

Originally Posted by Beery

Yeah. If I was to take an educated guess, I'd say that the US 'Chief of the Boat' is basically the LI and the Obersteuermann rolled into one.

Not really. The COB is like the LI because he is the Senior Dive (Diving Officer of the Watch), but he's also the senior enlisted. The LI's engineering role is more like that of the Engineer (officer). The EDEA Senior Enlisted Nuke is often the same rank as the COB and demands the same respect from the Engineering department. The Obersteuermann is most like the Navigator (officer) and Assistant Navigator (enlisted) rolled into one.

In the end, the analogy just falls apart. The roles are all too different. It's best to understand the KM roles for what they are and not try to equate them to USN billets.

[Beery]

But the Obersteuermann is not just a navigator. He also takes the third watch, looks after the boat's provisions, arranges the meal plan with the cook and (like the COB) is the senior NCO on the boat.

Any comparison falls apart if viewed too closely, but I find comparisons are helpful.

[Observer]

Originally Posted by Beery

But the Obersteuermann is not just a navigator. He also takes the third watch, looks after the boat's provisions, arranges the meal plan with the cook and (like the COB) is the senior NCO on the boat.

Any comparison falls apart if viewed too closely, but I find comparisons are helpful.

With the exception of the making the watchbill (COBs job on an SSN), and provisions (Chop and MSC) the Nav is also an OOD in charge of a watch section (Eng and Weps as well, except on my boat at least), so from the watch standing perspective the Obersteuermann is like the Nav.

[Martin1813]

the strange thing is that when you begin a new career in SH3, you're an Oberleutnant z. S. but when you begin a new career using SH3Cmdr, you're just a Leutnant z. S.

what is the reason for this choice ? :hmm:

[Beery]

Originally Posted by Martin1813

the strange thing is that when you begin a new career in SH3, you're an Oberleutnant z. S. but when you begin a new career using SH3Cmdr, you're just a Leutnant z. S.

what is the reason for this choice ? :hmm:

All careers in SH3 start at the rank of Leutnant zur See.

[Martin1813]

yes you're right
The problem comes from the French localization....

so forget what I said :rotfl: