About SS-N-27s and Club-S missiles

Amizaur · 07-17-05, 06:04 PM

Is the SS-N-27 ASM missile intened to be 3M-54E or 3M-54E1 missile ? Because the parameters like mass and range don't match...

3M-54E missile is widely know two-stage subsonic/supersonic ASM. It's heavy (about 2.3-2.5 tons), long (8.2m), but have range of 220km (120nm) and warhead of 200kg. The max speed is said to be 2.9M which is about 1860-1916kts.

3M-54E1 missile is one stage subsonic-only version. But it's shorter (6.2m), lighter (1780kg) and carries twice as large warhead of 400kg.

Supersonic 3M-54E is second from the left, subsonic 3M-54E1 is third from the left.

The data in the USNI description and actual database parameters of the missile are mix of parameters from both missiles. If the missile in game was intended to be two-stage 3M-54E missile, it should be heavier, longer, have shorter range (120nm insteed of 160nm).

The Club missile is said to be 3M-54E and has proper range, but dimensions and mass again looks as taken from 3M-54E1.
(Could someone confirm if the Indian Kilos are being armed with long 3M-54E or short 3M-54E1 variant ? I have found inconsistent data on this...)

BTW the more fundamental question is - how long are Kilo torpedo tubes ?? Can they launch 8.2 meters objects like 3M-54E ? Or maybe only shorter 3M-54E1 variant ? Anyone knows for sure ?

The mass and length differences could be explained if they refers to missile in flight, without the booster. But length difference of 2m is too large to account for booster (it's about 1m long) and overall this data looks rather like taken from 3M-54E1. The too long range of SS-N-27 can't be explained other than by fact it was taken from 3M-54E1. The SS-N-27 3D model also doesn't match, it's looks rather similar to 3M-54E1 subsonic missile (and was borrowed from Tomahawk probably, strange because models of other Russian missiles, especially the Shipwreck, are individual and very good). The SS-N-27 ASW 3D moded painted white would be much better.

If the missiles were supposed to be two-stage 3M-54E missile, please check again it's parameters. Mass and lenght are not very important but the weapon range rather is. 3M-54E have max range of 220km cited in all sources, and it's range of both stages. Minimum range is 20km.
Also 3D model could be taken from ASW variant rather than from Tomahawk.

Also to avoid the SS-N-27 range bug, the missile should be changed to two-stage construction (like SUBROCs) but this is another story.

Best page about SS-N-27 family I've found:

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Klub.html

Please add your link if you know another good sources.

07-17-05, 06:04 PM	#1
Amizaur Sonar Guy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poland Posts: 398 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	About SS-N-27s and Club-S missiles Is the SS-N-27 ASM missile intened to be 3M-54E or 3M-54E1 missile ? Because the parameters like mass and range don't match... 3M-54E missile is widely know two-stage subsonic/supersonic ASM. It's heavy (about 2.3-2.5 tons), long (8.2m), but have range of 220km (120nm) and warhead of 200kg. The max speed is said to be 2.9M which is about 1860-1916kts. 3M-54E1 missile is one stage subsonic-only version. But it's shorter (6.2m), lighter (1780kg) and carries twice as large warhead of 400kg. Supersonic 3M-54E is second from the left, subsonic 3M-54E1 is third from the left. The data in the USNI description and actual database parameters of the missile are mix of parameters from both missiles. If the missile in game was intended to be two-stage 3M-54E missile, it should be heavier, longer, have shorter range (120nm insteed of 160nm). The Club missile is said to be 3M-54E and has proper range, but dimensions and mass again looks as taken from 3M-54E1. (Could someone confirm if the Indian Kilos are being armed with long 3M-54E or short 3M-54E1 variant ? I have found inconsistent data on this...) BTW the more fundamental question is - how long are Kilo torpedo tubes ?? Can they launch 8.2 meters objects like 3M-54E ? Or maybe only shorter 3M-54E1 variant ? Anyone knows for sure ? The mass and length differences could be explained if they refers to missile in flight, without the booster. But length difference of 2m is too large to account for booster (it's about 1m long) and overall this data looks rather like taken from 3M-54E1. The too long range of SS-N-27 can't be explained other than by fact it was taken from 3M-54E1. The SS-N-27 3D model also doesn't match, it's looks rather similar to 3M-54E1 subsonic missile (and was borrowed from Tomahawk probably, strange because models of other Russian missiles, especially the Shipwreck, are individual and very good). The SS-N-27 ASW 3D moded painted white would be much better. If the missiles were supposed to be two-stage 3M-54E missile, please check again it's parameters. Mass and lenght are not very important but the weapon range rather is. 3M-54E have max range of 220km cited in all sources, and it's range of both stages. Minimum range is 20km. Also 3D model could be taken from ASW variant rather than from Tomahawk. Also to avoid the SS-N-27 range bug, the missile should be changed to two-stage construction (like SUBROCs) but this is another story. Best page about SS-N-27 family I've found: http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Klub.html Please add your link if you know another good sources.