its a stupid logistical background which is the f35' biggest weakness

Skybird · 09-03-24, 04:36 PM

for international customers things can only get worse. especially in war times.

mapuc · 09-03-24, 05:02 PM

Oh the Danish MoD have very high hope about this Fighter Jet. The Danish government have ordered 27 of them, where 4 shall be station in USA, used for training.

Markus

Skybird · 09-03-24, 05:34 PM

Germany ordered them, too. I never felt comfortable with it, mostly due to the logistics supply thing.

I simply do not like it when civilian service workers have exclusive rights for maintaining craft, not the military itself. My trust in such arrangements is such that I think it works for parade purposes and in peacetime shoeshine drills. - War is something very different. Production on demand, no warehouses? You gotta kidd me.

Not even mentioning the international sub contractors, chip deliverers, secondary and tertiary supply chains main production of ordered spareparts depend on.

It cant imagine it was a warrior who had the idea for this brilliant modern concept, right...?!

And in the back corner of my mind I also have the German Starfighter desaster in my mind...

Aktungbby · 09-03-24, 05:37 PM

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mapuc · 09-03-24, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Germany ordered them, too. I never felt comfortable with it, mostly due to the logistics supply thing.

I simply do not like it when civilian service workers have exclusive rights for maintaining craft, not the military itself. My trust in such arrangements is such that I think it works for parade purposes and in peacetime shoeshine drills. - War is something very different. Production on demand, no warehouses? You gotta kidd me.

Not even mentioning the international sub contractors, chip deliverers, secondary and tertiary supply chains main production of ordered spareparts depend on.

It cant imagine it was a warrior who had the idea for this brilliant modern concept, right...?!

And in the back corner of my mind I also have the German Starfighter desaster in my mind...

Yes the F-104 Widow maker.
I've been saying since the Danish government started to send out request for a new fighter jet who should substitute the old F16, that they could pick the Swedish JAS 39 NG(Next Generation) instead of the other fighter jet. Or the F/A-18E. I think they had already decided before sending out this request.

Markus

Skybird · 09-03-24, 06:09 PM

In case of Germany it was a panic reaciton, due to the Americans "sharing" a few nuclear bombs with Germany who are planned for beign dleivered by Germna aircraft. But the Tornado is phase dout, and the Eurofighter was not cetrified, in pa rts due to lame Germna pltivcians, ion aprts to Americ adelaiyng it to make Germany buy the F35, which has a certification to deliver US nuclear bombs. Waiting for a new European fighter takes way too long, and whether the US would certify that then to carry US nukies is an unanswered, open question.

Money interests make the arms deals go round.

I would prefer to have the money invested into a bigger fleet of less scifi-like planes. Numbers count in war. The Refale. The Typhoon. The Gripen. I wud, even have given up the shared nukie arranegemntm since I think it is only show anyway. Or a desperate attenpt for a "guarantee" to keep the Americans in Germany, since Germany cannot defend itself at all.

But the Americans will leave Germany, and in the long term Europe, if that serves their interests best. And these interests could be defined by being fed up with European politics (Trumps' approach), or being overstretched with all these many global engagements and bases and the collision with China getting closer in time.

He who wants to defend everything will lose everything, said Sun Tzu. There will come the day when the US can no longer reject to realise this stratagem. The way it tries to deny it, is way too expensive and not sustainable anymore. See the costs for the F35 program. And keep in mind that the dollar is under attack to get pushed off the throne as the global primary and reserve currency. And when the world does not buy American debt bonds anymore - well, it will get "interesting", to say the least...

Jimbuna · 09-04-24, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Money interests make the arms deals go round.

Truer words you'll never type.

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09-03-24, 06:09 PM	#6
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,615 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	In case of Germany it was a panic reaciton, due to the Americans "sharing" a few nuclear bombs with Germany who are planned for beign dleivered by Germna aircraft. But the Tornado is phase dout, and the Eurofighter was not cetrified, in pa rts due to lame Germna pltivcians, ion aprts to Americ adelaiyng it to make Germany buy the F35, which has a certification to deliver US nuclear bombs. Waiting for a new European fighter takes way too long, and whether the US would certify that then to carry US nukies is an unanswered, open question. Money interests make the arms deals go round. I would prefer to have the money invested into a bigger fleet of less scifi-like planes. Numbers count in war. The Refale. The Typhoon. The Gripen. I wud, even have given up the shared nukie arranegemntm since I think it is only show anyway. Or a desperate attenpt for a "guarantee" to keep the Americans in Germany, since Germany cannot defend itself at all. But the Americans will leave Germany, and in the long term Europe, if that serves their interests best. And these interests could be defined by being fed up with European politics (Trumps' approach), or being overstretched with all these many global engagements and bases and the collision with China getting closer in time. He who wants to defend everything will lose everything, said Sun Tzu. There will come the day when the US can no longer reject to realise this stratagem. The way it tries to deny it, is way too expensive and not sustainable anymore. See the costs for the F35 program. And keep in mind that the dollar is under attack to get pushed off the throne as the global primary and reserve currency. And when the world does not buy American debt bonds anymore - well, it will get "interesting", to say the least... __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.