question : opération weserübung

Rosco74 · 08-11-23, 07:32 PM

Hello. I finally found the Queen E battleship and after 3 torpedos hit the ship was still able to continue at around 10 knots. I followed the battleship for an hour and finally the destroyer escort left the wounded ship behind.
I surfaced and approached, the battleship did not fire at me, it was already on flame since 1 hour.
After approximatly 100 rounds of deck gun and another hour, the battleship finally sunk... I check my journal and the ship was notified and added to my current patrol, 31.000 tons!

Then as I supposed my mission was completed, and because I had no torps left I set course to my port. After 2 days of sailing, the 16 april, I saved at sea and noticed that "opération weserübung" was still on status : on-going

My question is, did I miss something or should I just wait longer for the mission to be completed ??
Thank you

Rosco74 · 08-11-23, 07:49 PM

And by the way, not sure if it's that sturdy but 3 of my 4 torpedoes hit the battleship, and it didn't sunk... I had to fire 100 round of my deck gun to finally sink her ...
I have the critical hits v1.2 and critical hits 1.1 torpedos mods :-/

KaleunMarco · 08-11-23, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosco74

Hello. I finally found the Queen E battleship and after 3 torpedos hit the ship was still able to continue at around 10 knots. I followed the battleship for an hour and finally the destroyer escort left the wounded ship behind.
I surfaced and approached, the battleship did not fire at me, it was already on flame since 1 hour.
After approximatly 100 rounds of deck gun and another hour, the battleship finally sunk... I check my journal and the ship was notified and added to my current patrol, 31.000 tons!

Then as I supposed my mission was completed, and because I had no torps left I set course to my port. After 2 days of sailing, the 16 april, I saved at sea and noticed that "opération weserübung" was still on status : on-going

My question is, did I miss something or should I just wait longer for the mission to be completed ??
Thank you

let's analyze the mission vs your activities.
the mission objective is to: Sink any battleship entering Norway's territorial waters
so, the first question is: where were you and the QE when she went down?

Rosco74 · 08-12-23, 06:11 PM

I was at the entrance of the Narvik canal, maybe 100 km west. At the end of the blue arrow showing the task force path, even if the mission itself and the arrow had already disappeared since a day or two.

les green01 · 08-13-23, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rosco74

And by the way, not sure if it's that sturdy but 3 of my 4 torpedoes hit the battleship, and it didn't sunk... I had to fire 100 round of my deck gun to finally sink her ...
I have the critical hits v1.2 and critical hits 1.1 torpedos mods :-/

hit locations,eels settings,armor belt it can absorb a lot of hits

Aktungbby · 08-13-23, 09:54 AM

I generally try to get dead in front of the oncoming behemouth, zero the scope and do a 'down-the-throat-shot with the scope zeroed on the target's bow at just under 1000 metres to allow for the eel's arming-distance of 300 metres. On one occasion, I failed to immediately maneuver laterally and the oncoming target actually began plunging down by the bow, hitting me and sank me! If nothing else the 90 degree turn (at 7 knots submerged) sets up the stern tube for a second strike on the slowing battleship....

In the Weserbung scenario, particular attention must be paid to bottom depth in the ambush location to avoid follow-on escorts in the Narvik fjord's shallow waters...

KaleunMarco · 08-13-23, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rosco74

I was at the entrance of the Narvik canal, maybe 100 km west. At the end of the blue arrow showing the task force path, even if the mission itself and the arrow had already disappeared since a day or two.

yeah....i suspect that you did not receive credit for the sinking because of either a timing issue within SH5/mission AND/OR the location of the attack/sinking.

i am not as expert on SH5 as other sims however reading the mission profile and then your description of the sink, leads me to believe what i think.

it's too bad you did not receive credit because sinking one of those beasts takes a lot of work...and luck.

Rosco74 · 08-15-23, 07:16 PM

Hello. I will give an update as I finally got the Weserubung mission "finished" instead of "on-going".
Yesterday I loaded my savegame after the Queen E. kill, as I play a sort of ironman campaign with only one or two differents savegames. I made my way back to the bunker in Wilhem. I had not a single torpedo left anyway. I saved just before entering the bunker, then inside the bunker.
I later launched the next patrol, all that without exiting the game. I sailed maybe 1 or 2 hours, just to save safely away from anything before disconnecting. And guess what, mission Weserubung was stated as "finished"...
Only "Western Approach" is still on "on-going" on the 30 april, as I am on my way for my 7th patrol.

So I think the mission was almost completed when I sunk the Queen E. but then was 100% completed when the BDU messages were all received hours laters to simulate the end of the Narvik operations in Norway.
In fact, you receive several messages from BdU that keep you informed of the operation in the fjords. Maybe 8 or 9, since the launch airstrike from the Royal Ark, to the attack of several Uboots, bombing of ports etc
It is I must admit extremly immersive, you really have the feeling to be part of the story, and I am sure it is very accurate with true historical references.

So for anyone else, if that helps, be reassured that sinking the battleship may not complete the mission objectives right away, but it may takes hours.

Thank you everyone for the help and comments on my issue.

PS: for the attack itself. It was a light foggy day, the sea was pretty calm, around 7 m/s wind if I remind correctly. I was submerged around 35 meters with engines stopped sicne hours, lots of hours, my Co2 level was almost at 20%.
Then suddenly the hydrophone operator reported a warship contact at long range, medium speed, closing. I check myself and according the spread of the contact it was very long range or there was several warships close together.
My first thought was that it was again the german task force I encountered the day before, with 2 poscket battleships plus the destroyer escort. So I didn't move.
My first look one hour later at the closest ship confirmed it was a task force, but I only spotted 3 or 4 destroyers, and they were too far to tell if it was friendly or not. I play 100% realism with real navigation so no help from the crew on that.
I let them approach without moving, I was not on their direct course so they would obviouosly run not less than 1 km from me anyway. When I check later with my scope I managed to conclude they were british destroyers, but soon I realize it was just a first wave of ships... another wave, this time with a course directly toward my position... and a middle all of those 6 or 7 destroyers, a bigger ship! I said: "this time I found the big fish!"
The first line of 6 destroyers was spread on a parallel front line of maybe 3 km, with me on a side so that most of the destroyers would sail on my left except one that would come probably short range on my right...
I maneuvered to face them and to lower my exposed surface. Only several quick looks at one destroyer and always less than 20 sec and managed to get a course. I counted almost a 100 rpm for the destroyers then got the speed of 15 knots.
As soon as they were on me I turned slowly full left for a 90degree attack on the battleship. I heard no ping, nothing as the closest destroyer passed at short range, not sure if they were scanning for any submarine as I am sure the closest would spot me initially.
I prepared 4 torpedoes, all on impact at 4 meters depth. I think the battleship would be around 1000 meters but I had no time to check the distance, I couldn't risk to be spotted with my scope out for too long, that's why I chose the 90degree attack.
I launch the 4 fishes then turn left toward the front line, descending to 130 meters depth, this entry of the canal was wery high. 3 of the 4 torpedoes impacted when I was already 50 meters and facing the escort.
Then I heard for about 30 min engines runnign fast, slow etc all around me. I was just running at a speed of 1tk while silent but below 100 meters I never had a single ping from the escort...
Finally they all left the area then I came back to PD to see the battleship at long range running at a speed of maybe 10 kt maximum slowly turning left while the escort resumed his normal speed of 15 kt... at very long range I had only the battleship in sight and barely so I ordered deck awash and I tracked her like a prey. I thought it would go down by itself but after 1 hour nothing...
It was several hours of realtime and I had enough lol, so I speed up and close while surfaced as it was alone. The battleship was not firing at all...
I shot maybe 100 rounds of deck gun, AP ammo the 80, plus some HE.
It finally sunk another hour later.... and the escort never came back ^^

08-11-23, 07:32 PM	#1
Rosco74 Torpedoman Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 117 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	question : opération weserübung Hello. I finally found the Queen E battleship and after 3 torpedos hit the ship was still able to continue at around 10 knots. I followed the battleship for an hour and finally the destroyer escort left the wounded ship behind. I surfaced and approached, the battleship did not fire at me, it was already on flame since 1 hour. After approximatly 100 rounds of deck gun and another hour, the battleship finally sunk... I check my journal and the ship was notified and added to my current patrol, 31.000 tons! Then as I supposed my mission was completed, and because I had no torps left I set course to my port. After 2 days of sailing, the 16 april, I saved at sea and noticed that "opération weserübung" was still on status : on-going My question is, did I miss something or should I just wait longer for the mission to be completed ?? Thank you

08-13-23, 09:54 AM	#6
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,980 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	I generally try to get dead in front of the oncoming behemouth, zero the scope and do a 'down-the-throat-shot with the scope zeroed on the target's bow at just under 1000 metres to allow for the eel's arming-distance of 300 metres. On one occasion, I failed to immediately maneuver laterally and the oncoming target actually began plunging down by the bow, hitting me and sank me! If nothing else the 90 degree turn (at 7 knots submerged) sets up the stern tube for a second strike on the slowing battleship.... In the Weserbung scenario, particular attention must be paid to bottom depth in the ambush location to avoid follow-on escorts in the Narvik fjord's shallow waters... __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe" Last edited by Aktungbby; 08-13-23 at 10:23 AM.

08-11-23, 07:49 PM	#2
Rosco74 Torpedoman Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 117 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	And by the way, not sure if it's that sturdy but 3 of my 4 torpedoes hit the battleship, and it didn't sunk... I had to fire 100 round of my deck gun to finally sink her ... I have the critical hits v1.2 and critical hits 1.1 torpedos mods :-/

08-12-23, 06:11 PM	#4
Rosco74 Torpedoman Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 117 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	I was at the entrance of the Narvik canal, maybe 100 km west. At the end of the blue arrow showing the task force path, even if the mission itself and the arrow had already disappeared since a day or two.

08-15-23, 07:16 PM	#8
Rosco74 Torpedoman Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 117 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	Hello. I will give an update as I finally got the Weserubung mission "finished" instead of "on-going". Yesterday I loaded my savegame after the Queen E. kill, as I play a sort of ironman campaign with only one or two differents savegames. I made my way back to the bunker in Wilhem. I had not a single torpedo left anyway. I saved just before entering the bunker, then inside the bunker. I later launched the next patrol, all that without exiting the game. I sailed maybe 1 or 2 hours, just to save safely away from anything before disconnecting. And guess what, mission Weserubung was stated as "finished"... Only "Western Approach" is still on "on-going" on the 30 april, as I am on my way for my 7th patrol. So I think the mission was almost completed when I sunk the Queen E. but then was 100% completed when the BDU messages were all received hours laters to simulate the end of the Narvik operations in Norway. In fact, you receive several messages from BdU that keep you informed of the operation in the fjords. Maybe 8 or 9, since the launch airstrike from the Royal Ark, to the attack of several Uboots, bombing of ports etc It is I must admit extremly immersive, you really have the feeling to be part of the story, and I am sure it is very accurate with true historical references. So for anyone else, if that helps, be reassured that sinking the battleship may not complete the mission objectives right away, but it may takes hours. Thank you everyone for the help and comments on my issue. PS: for the attack itself. It was a light foggy day, the sea was pretty calm, around 7 m/s wind if I remind correctly. I was submerged around 35 meters with engines stopped sicne hours, lots of hours, my Co2 level was almost at 20%. Then suddenly the hydrophone operator reported a warship contact at long range, medium speed, closing. I check myself and according the spread of the contact it was very long range or there was several warships close together. My first thought was that it was again the german task force I encountered the day before, with 2 poscket battleships plus the destroyer escort. So I didn't move. My first look one hour later at the closest ship confirmed it was a task force, but I only spotted 3 or 4 destroyers, and they were too far to tell if it was friendly or not. I play 100% realism with real navigation so no help from the crew on that. I let them approach without moving, I was not on their direct course so they would obviouosly run not less than 1 km from me anyway. When I check later with my scope I managed to conclude they were british destroyers, but soon I realize it was just a first wave of ships... another wave, this time with a course directly toward my position... and a middle all of those 6 or 7 destroyers, a bigger ship! I said: "this time I found the big fish!" The first line of 6 destroyers was spread on a parallel front line of maybe 3 km, with me on a side so that most of the destroyers would sail on my left except one that would come probably short range on my right... I maneuvered to face them and to lower my exposed surface. Only several quick looks at one destroyer and always less than 20 sec and managed to get a course. I counted almost a 100 rpm for the destroyers then got the speed of 15 knots. As soon as they were on me I turned slowly full left for a 90degree attack on the battleship. I heard no ping, nothing as the closest destroyer passed at short range, not sure if they were scanning for any submarine as I am sure the closest would spot me initially. I prepared 4 torpedoes, all on impact at 4 meters depth. I think the battleship would be around 1000 meters but I had no time to check the distance, I couldn't risk to be spotted with my scope out for too long, that's why I chose the 90degree attack. I launch the 4 fishes then turn left toward the front line, descending to 130 meters depth, this entry of the canal was wery high. 3 of the 4 torpedoes impacted when I was already 50 meters and facing the escort. Then I heard for about 30 min engines runnign fast, slow etc all around me. I was just running at a speed of 1tk while silent but below 100 meters I never had a single ping from the escort... Finally they all left the area then I came back to PD to see the battleship at long range running at a speed of maybe 10 kt maximum slowly turning left while the escort resumed his normal speed of 15 kt... at very long range I had only the battleship in sight and barely so I ordered deck awash and I tracked her like a prey. I thought it would go down by itself but after 1 hour nothing... It was several hours of realtime and I had enough lol, so I speed up and close while surfaced as it was alone. The battleship was not firing at all... I shot maybe 100 rounds of deck gun, AP ammo the 80, plus some HE. It finally sunk another hour later.... and the escort never came back ^^