Is Dangerous Waters the most realistic?

PurpleCow · 06-06-22, 01:59 PM

Is Dangerous Water still the more realistic modern sub simulator out there currently? I realize CMO is very detailed with that is at the strategic level and not really what I would define as a submarine sim.

When I say realistic I am taliing about the sonar modeling and the ability to detect and stay silent from surface andf sub-surface threats. Cold Waters has excellent graphics but I have read from other posts that the sonar modleing and the sound profiles are less than realistic. Is this the case?

ET2SN · 06-07-22, 02:55 AM

When you say "realistic" keep in mind that the last "warshot" torpedo was launched in 1982 against the Gen. Belgrano. In modern times it doesn't happen often, although every Navy practices a lot.

A true Submarine simulation, IMO, should feature the world's best liberty ports and over-priced drinks.

Meanwhile, DW set a high threshold for game play back in the mid 1990's because you needed to be smart to beat it. You weren't making steam to run the turbines or learning how to live in state 5 seas or figuring out how many cans of beans you needed for an extended underway, but you got enough of the variables to play with and you could get a good feel for the daily grind of finding people who don't want to be found.

Which game is the best in terms of a true simulation? That's easy, none of them. You don't have to get used to breathing Amine or getting your quals finished for that long deployment next week. You don't have to know how to "stay sharp" when you've been awake for the last 20 hours or how to get your ### motivated four minutes after you were sound asleep. Life on a submarine is all about learning how to stack information and trust your buddies. Every day you're learning something new and ALL of it will be important at some point.
The good news is that your environment on the boat is, literally, your world and existence. People have asked me what it's really like living on a submarine and the best example I could use was to say, "Its just like Star Trek, either the original series or TNG, but with more swearing and less intrigue". They would look at me funny, but its true. Once you're ten miles off the coast you may as well be in orbit around Mars.

Now, I'm going to find a good seat in the corner and wait for the fights to break out.

Kapitan · 06-07-22, 08:06 AM

Dangerous waters remains a top level sub sim even after nearly 20 years, while games like Cold Waters have come out it still remains the most detailed in terms of platform sensors and capability accuracy.

With mods it actually makes the game better but you have to sacrifice some realism for the added platforms

Overall id rate DW at 70% realistic which is about as high as your going to get in the gamer world.

Other sub sims such as cold waters has the arcade feel which is why I'm not a big fan.

Stewy1 · 06-09-22, 02:19 AM

I still play DW virtually every night - even if just a quick 1v1 mission.

It's a credit to the game's makers - and of course the modders

Stew

Ghost Dog · 06-12-22, 10:10 PM

I'd say its the most realistic modern submarine warfare sim thats available right now to the public. With Mods (RA mod) it still sits at the top. While we await to see what Modern Naval Warfare brings, we still have DW.

Kapitan · 06-12-22, 10:13 PM

Ghost dog I know that name were you in the Seawolves ?

06-06-22, 01:59 PM	#1
PurpleCow A-ganger Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 75 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	Is Dangerous Waters the most realistic? Is Dangerous Water still the more realistic modern sub simulator out there currently? I realize CMO is very detailed with that is at the strategic level and not really what I would define as a submarine sim. When I say realistic I am taliing about the sonar modeling and the ability to detect and stay silent from surface andf sub-surface threats. Cold Waters has excellent graphics but I have read from other posts that the sonar modleing and the sound profiles are less than realistic. Is this the case?

06-07-22, 08:06 AM	#3
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Dangerous waters remains a top level sub sim even after nearly 20 years, while games like Cold Waters have come out it still remains the most detailed in terms of platform sensors and capability accuracy. With mods it actually makes the game better but you have to sacrifice some realism for the added platforms Overall id rate DW at 70% realistic which is about as high as your going to get in the gamer world. Other sub sims such as cold waters has the arcade feel which is why I'm not a big fan. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

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Stewy1 Girt by Sea Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Red Route 1 Posts: 391 Downloads: 176 Uploads: 40	I still play DW virtually every night - even if just a quick 1v1 mission. It's a credit to the game's makers - and of course the modders Stew __________________ "This officer has used my ship as his den of iniquity and my wardroom to carry him from bar to bar."

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Ghost Dog Planesman Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Olympus Mons, Mars Posts: 184 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	I'd say its the most realistic modern submarine warfare sim thats available right now to the public. With Mods (RA mod) it still sits at the top. While we await to see what Modern Naval Warfare brings, we still have DW. __________________ free image host

06-12-22, 10:13 PM	#6
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Ghost dog I know that name were you in the Seawolves ? __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

06-07-22, 02:55 AM	#2
ET2SN Ocean Warrior Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 2,652 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	When you say "realistic" keep in mind that the last "warshot" torpedo was launched in 1982 against the Gen. Belgrano. In modern times it doesn't happen often, although every Navy practices a lot. A true Submarine simulation, IMO, should feature the world's best liberty ports and over-priced drinks. Meanwhile, DW set a high threshold for game play back in the mid 1990's because you needed to be smart to beat it. You weren't making steam to run the turbines or learning how to live in state 5 seas or figuring out how many cans of beans you needed for an extended underway, but you got enough of the variables to play with and you could get a good feel for the daily grind of finding people who don't want to be found. Which game is the best in terms of a true simulation? That's easy, none of them. You don't have to get used to breathing Amine or getting your quals finished for that long deployment next week. You don't have to know how to "stay sharp" when you've been awake for the last 20 hours or how to get your ### motivated four minutes after you were sound asleep. Life on a submarine is all about learning how to stack information and trust your buddies. Every day you're learning something new and ALL of it will be important at some point. The good news is that your environment on the boat is, literally, your world and existence. People have asked me what it's really like living on a submarine and the best example I could use was to say, "Its just like Star Trek, either the original series or TNG, but with more swearing and less intrigue". They would look at me funny, but its true. Once you're ten miles off the coast you may as well be in orbit around Mars. Now, I'm going to find a good seat in the corner and wait for the fights to break out.