Need a little help identifying a coat

Rhodes · 03-02-22, 11:00 AM

A little or a big help, all is welcome.

I am posting here since it is easier to ask here first and if this thread should be in another part of the forum, I beg the moderators if they change to the correct location.

Also, posting here, is also easier for me, even if I am looking for more appropriate forums, that I beginning to look.

Bom, what I need is this: Identifying this British army coat, that we think is from 1850's and on (or not...).

Our museum have it by means of a donation, but no information was given about the coat.

Pics:

Royal Fusiliers 3rd London? Or Royal Marines? I think the rank is lieutenant do to the crown and that rose (I think that is call like that).

And do you know any forum or web place I can also ask?

Thank you.

Aktungbby · 03-02-22, 01:31 PM

This is a British 19th Century, Full General Rank Tunic, Pattern 1856-1868: note similar yellow button trim, trim twisted shoulder epaulets, and 'rounded' (not square) collar tips. Rear view is also very similar:

All your excessive cuff embroidery escapes me though but it sure looks like a 'dress' uniform for soirées: note also: a very similar collar trim insignia:

BOTTOM LINE: if in doubt and somebody's wearing that getup; just stand at attention &

!!!

DAMN QUICK!! https://stewartsmilitaryantiques.com...30.archive.htm Particularly glad to help, as my daughter directs a museum on donations incl. my interior paint jobs; and truck driving to get new display cabinets as needed! EDIT per Rockstar's post:

Quote:

On each side of the collar are thickly embroidered star and crown, designating the rank of a full General. On the shoulders are two narrow, twisted gold wire cords secured by two small General's pattern buttons. The beautifully made gilt finished buttons display the backmark of Jennens & Co. London, without the Prince of Wales Plume added in1860 by that firm. I was able to check the backs of the closure buttons,they all match, however the cuff and skirt buttons are sewn so closely to the material I can't get a good view of the reverse. you're 'right on the button as usual Rockstar!

Rockstar · 03-02-22, 01:33 PM

If it is from the suggested time period there may be a “makers mark” on the back of the buttons. You might from there see who they made them for. Outside of that I don’t have a clue.

Nice find though.

Eichhörnchen · 03-02-22, 02:14 PM

I think maybe you should be looking for a Grenadiers regiment

ET2SN · 03-02-22, 02:43 PM

You could have posted this in the Who / What / Where Game thread and made it more sporting.

Is there any personal ID or a name tag hiding in the pockets?

Jimbuna · 03-02-22, 02:57 PM

I agree with Aktung

Jeff-Groves · 03-02-22, 03:34 PM

I'd have to say Aktung is probably on the money.
Although he's my favorite Cunning Linguist? He and his family have EXTENSIVE back grounds in stuff like this.
And I expect a phone call very soon from him!

Aktungbby · 03-02-22, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I agree with Aktung

^ U should! I wear the same thing on formal Civil War occasions such as our Annual ball for Civilwar reenacting. C & D Jarnigan made all my gear: both field

and dress

and completely authentic in every detail down to the coattail pockets etc. Now (after 4 decades) if I lose 50 Lbs I could wear them again!

Jeff-Groves · 03-02-22, 03:41 PM

You Lie! 50 pounds times 2 maybe.

Commander Wallace · 03-02-22, 03:42 PM

It amazes me you were all able to figure that out that quickly, especially Aktung. I wouldn't have had a clue but I agree, it's a nice find.

Now, Aktung's head will be even bigger than it was before.

Jeff-Groves · 03-02-22, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

It amazes me you were all able to figure that out that quickly, especially Aktung. I wouldn't have had a clue but I agree, it's a nice find.

Now, Aktung's head will be even bigger than it was before.

I'll say this for my Friend! Aktung is one of the most intelligent persons I have met through Subsim! And I have met him Face to Face! Not just here online.
He actually showed up at a job site where I was demoing stuff out in California.

Now his head just went up at lest a hat size!

Commander Wallace · 03-02-22, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

I'll say this for my Friend! Aktung is one of the most intelligent persons I have met through Subsim! And I have met him Face to Face! Not just here online.
He actually showed up at a job site where I was demoing stuff out in California.

Now his head just went up at lest a hat size!

I agree Jeff but you shouldn't have said that. Now, Aktung will be impossible to live with.

In re reading what I said, I think it came across as that Aktung was the one I least expected to figure it out. Quite the contrary, I would expect if anyone would know, it would be Aktung. I guess I shouldn't have said that either.

Jeff-Groves · 03-02-22, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I agree Jeff but you shouldn't have said that. Now, Aktung will be impossible to live with.

Nah.
He'll call me (He and I do talk on the phone) and drone on for hours and hours about it.

Actually? You'd have to talk to him yourself to get an understanding of him! He is someone I hope to meet face to face again!
My time at the only meeting was way shorter then I'd hoped for! Maybe a bit over the top for some here at Subsim.
But I'd love to spend WEEKS with him.

And add another hat size!

I actually told him that if he bought a Ship to turn into a Pirate Cruise Ship? I'd move out there and help him convert it!

Aktungbby · 03-02-22, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

You Lie! 50 pounds times 2 maybe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

It amazes me you were all able to figure that out that quickly, especially Aktung. I wouldn't have had a clue but I agree, it's a nice find.

Now, Aktung's head will be even bigger than it was before.

I'd settle for another 70 to get down to my wedding suit size...that said, I quit alcohol cold turkey on my 70 birthday mostly 'cause old school buddies -girls incl. were croaking from pancreatic cancer. That got me down 20 Lbs enough to get into my original rugby Jersey for a recent 50 year reunion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

I agree Jeff but you shouldn't have said that. Now, Aktung will be impossible to live with.

In re reading what I said, I think it came across as that Aktung was the one I least expected to figure it out. Quite the contrary, I would expect if anyone would know, it would be Aktung. I guess I shouldn't have said that either.

well time in the Who What Where thread sharpens the search techniques, especially with Jimbuna or Catfish hot on yer six!

I wonder if, as Rhodes is in Spain, if this isn't possibly one of the Duke of Wellington's later garb? He served in India, Spain and Belgium and lasted well into the late 19th century; and that's a lotta snazzy braid on the cuffs.

looking into Field Marshal's attire of the mid-19 th century...

Jeff-Groves · 03-02-22, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby

time in the Who What Where thread sharpens the search techniques,

Obviously not enough!

Your analitical skills are subpar.

03-02-22, 11:00 AM	#1
Rhodes Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Figueira da Foz, Portugal Posts: 4,516 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	Need a little help identifying a coat A little or a big help, all is welcome. I am posting here since it is easier to ask here first and if this thread should be in another part of the forum, I beg the moderators if they change to the correct location. Also, posting here, is also easier for me, even if I am looking for more appropriate forums, that I beginning to look. Bom, what I need is this: Identifying this British army coat, that we think is from 1850's and on (or not...). Our museum have it by means of a donation, but no information was given about the coat. Pics: Royal Fusiliers 3rd London? Or Royal Marines? I think the rank is lieutenant do to the crown and that rose (I think that is call like that). And do you know any forum or web place I can also ask? Thank you. __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/16416646@N05/

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Eichhörnchen Starte das Auto Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: The Fens Posts: 17,384 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I think maybe you should be looking for a Grenadiers regiment __________________

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I agree with Aktung __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	If it is from the suggested time period there may be a “makers mark” on the back of the buttons. You might from there see who they made them for. Outside of that I don’t have a clue. Nice find though.

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ET2SN Ocean Warrior Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 2,652 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	You could have posted this in the Who / What / Where Game thread and made it more sporting. Is there any personal ID or a name tag hiding in the pockets?

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Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,650 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	I'd have to say Aktung is probably on the money. Although he's my favorite Cunning Linguist? He and his family have EXTENSIVE back grounds in stuff like this. And I expect a phone call very soon from him!

03-02-22, 03:41 PM	#9
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,650 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	You Lie! 50 pounds times 2 maybe.

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Commander Wallace Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Under the sea in an Octupus garden in the shade Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 366 Uploads: 0	It amazes me you were all able to figure that out that quickly, especially Aktung. I wouldn't have had a clue but I agree, it's a nice find. Now, Aktung's head will be even bigger than it was before.