[TEC] Question about rudders (for modders, and not)

VonDos · 04-26-21, 12:27 PM

Hi everyone!

I'm trying to mod a ship with 3 rudders, as in this scheme:

I've fixed the 3D models, placed them into .dat file, and linked the "rudders" option into sim file.

After a first test, under water i can see:

Central and left rudders are working. Right one, no.
I've verifyed the sim file. It was ok.
Rudders' array order was [1]Central, [2]Left, [3]Right, [4]empty
I've modified ther order, for try. Next test:

(Sorry for the strange shape

)

This time, array order was [1]Right, [2]Left, [3]Central, [4]empty
Well, it appear that only first 2 rudders in numeric order are working ingame.
To delete the empty array doesn't change anithing.

So the question is, can i have more than 2 rudders working, or should i "animate" only the central one and leave the others static, or i should delete them at all? (Historically talking, they were accurate)...

Best regards,
Vd

Anvar1061 · 04-26-21, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonDos

So the question is, can i have more than 2 rudders working, or should i "animate" only the central one and leave the others static, or i should delete them at al

I count 2-nd. If there is no other way.

Jeff-Groves · 04-27-21, 09:13 AM

Why did you put 4 rudders in the sim if one is empty
and you only have 3 rudders on the ship?

VonDos · 04-27-21, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Why did you put 4 rudders in the sim if one is empty
and you only have 3 rudders on the ship?

Initially i just created 3 arrays (central, left, right), after test failures while searching in other ship's sim files i noticed a lot of units have an extra array item empty.

For example:

Rudders
- objects
-- [0] = AC-4_rudder
-- [1] =

(from USS Cyclops)

So i try to add the fourth array empty, despite my ship had 3 rudders.
Anithing changed.
Best regards, Vd

Jeff-Groves · 04-27-21, 10:25 AM

I missed that you did say you deleted the empty.
I guess the reason for an empty object is the Dev's tools had 2 rudder objects as a template when building a Unit.
I'd also guess 2 is the limit or the template would have had more.

Jeff-Groves · 04-27-21, 10:42 AM

I did a crazy thought as a quick test.
I added to the sim as below....

Now I didn't actually add an object as a 3rd rudder in the sim at this point.
I saved the new sim and ran SH3 with it to see if the Game crashed.
I was able to view the Ship in Museum with no problems so it "Might" be a work around.

04-26-21, 12:27 PM	#1
VonDos Admiral Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Italy Posts: 2,352 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 60	Question about rudders (for modders, and not) Hi everyone! I'm trying to mod a ship with 3 rudders, as in this scheme: I've fixed the 3D models, placed them into .dat file, and linked the "rudders" option into sim file. After a first test, under water i can see: Central and left rudders are working. Right one, no. I've verifyed the sim file. It was ok. Rudders' array order was [1]Central, [2]Left, [3]Right, [4]empty I've modified ther order, for try. Next test: (Sorry for the strange shape ) This time, array order was [1]Right, [2]Left, [3]Central, [4]empty Well, it appear that only first 2 rudders in numeric order are working ingame. To delete the empty array doesn't change anithing. So the question is, can i have more than 2 rudders working, or should i "animate" only the central one and leave the others static, or i should delete them at all? (Historically talking, they were accurate)... Best regards, Vd __________________ Those, others and WIP ships are avaiable in my SHIPYARD here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=136508

04-27-21, 09:13 AM	#3
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,649 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Why did you put 4 rudders in the sim if one is empty and you only have 3 rudders on the ship?

04-27-21, 10:25 AM	#5
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,649 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	I missed that you did say you deleted the empty. I guess the reason for an empty object is the Dev's tools had 2 rudder objects as a template when building a Unit. I'd also guess 2 is the limit or the template would have had more.

04-27-21, 10:42 AM	#6
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,649 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	I did a crazy thought as a quick test. I added to the sim as below.... Now I didn't actually add an object as a 3rd rudder in the sim at this point. I saved the new sim and ran SH3 with it to see if the Game crashed. I was able to view the Ship in Museum with no problems so it "Might" be a work around.