Ricky Gervais said anyone 'mildly conservative' on Twitter is labeled as 'Hitler'

[Onkel Neal]

He added: “The two catastrophic problems with the term ‘hate speech’ is, one, what constitutes hate speech? Everyone disagrees. There’s no consensus on what hate speech is. Two, who decides? And there’s the real rub because obviously the people who think they want to close down free speech because it’s bad are the fascists. It's a really weird, mixed-up idea that these people hide behind a shield of goodness.”

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...twitter-hitler

So sad when a caustic British comic gets it but the vast arena of Hollywood is clueless. If you venture too far from the approved path they silence you by calling you a fascist and racist.

[Skybird]

The German federal state of Saxony - especially Saxony, usually known for its right tendency, but okay... - has started to completely re-write its complete legal texts, all juristic codes and official law texts. In "gender-correct" grammar.



It demands even speaking to be changed. When there is a gender star in a word, the speaker now should make a pause before continuing. A pause in the middle of the word, maybe needing to add a single letter after it, that is, so that the speaker expresses his noticing of the importance of it. At more and more universities it is already mandatory to do so. You cannot file in a paper anymore if you do not write it in gender speak, you cnanot pass your exams. This way, a small but noisy ideological minority enforces to get its will against the vast majority. By brute force.



If the West turns into a mental asylum like this, then nothign should surprise us anymore, since no madness has become so unthinkable that it could not be declared to be the new "normal".



Gender speak, hate speech, commanded tolerance, enforced consensus - you name it. Its all different project names for one and the same intellectual plague. Totalitarianism in the name of "progressiveness". Zero tolerance for divergent opinions! Social death for any dissenter, economical ruin and public witch hunting! There have been scholars already who seriously demanded the death penalty for deniers of wanted opinions, in Germany! The cause wants it! In battling climate change, anything goes now!



Soon the first Lager of the new order will be drawn up as concepts again. All in the name of the best for mankind, of course.





A representative poll some months ago showed that over half of the Germans said they are careful with what they say in public and that they think one is not allowed to express one's true opinions freely anymore. I am not certain, but the number that I seem to recall was either 56% or 65%.

[Catfish]

^ which is of course idiotic. In lower saxony, you have to write your degree dissertation gender-correct, otherwise it will not be accepted or marked as unsatisfactory/fail. If you read this you are almost unable to understand the text between those absurd word creations.. maybe call all people "it", or "es" in german

Imho they try to make up for centuries of suppression and wrongdoing, but this way is idiotic. Changing the language and words certainly changes the thinking..

It is like tearing down all monuments to make the past look better - placing some monuments in museums with a proper explanation would maybe be a solution. Or apply some enlightening texts on those statues. Removing this entirely has nothing to do with coming to terms with some ugly past.

Ricky Gervais said anyone 'mildly conservative' on Twitter is labeled as 'Hitler' [...]
So sad when a caustic British comic gets it but the vast arena of Hollywood is clueless. If you venture too far from the approved path they silence you by calling you a fascist and racist.

Truth be told Gervais also says that “If you’re mildly left-wing on Twitter you’re suddenly Trotsky."

As usual the truth or best way is to remain calm and do not let you being intrumenalized by certain media who try to help their side by dividing the people

[vienna]

The whole conservative "Hollywood hates us, boo hoo... ..."... is a red herring (are you allowed to use Red and conservative together? Oh, wait, ... yes, GOP states are Red states... might also explain the GOP fixation on appeasing Putin... ...); In Hollywood there is no Blue or Red at the core: the only color is green. If you put butts in the seats, eyes on the screens, and bucks in the banks, they really don't care about the politics of the actors, directors, etc.; there are plenty of conersvatives in Hollywood, many of them very prominent:


Hollywood Congress of Republicans --

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollyw...of_Republicans


The HCR homepage:

http://hollywoodrepublicans.com/about-hcr/


In the Wikipedia link above, note the list of some of the GOP members; a very good many of them don't seem to be suffering at all from the touted 'liberal bias'...


The actor Gary Sinise, who also doesn't appear to be starving under liberal oppression started another Hollywood GOP/conservative group called "The Friends of Abe", but the group split apart when Trump was elected and the members couldn't agree on supporting him...


Friends Of Abe --

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_Abe


BTW, did you know absolutely nobody knew Abraham Lincoln was a Republican until Trump revealed it... true fact...


The conservative presence in Hollywood goes way back to the very beginnings of the industry; director D. W. Griffith was an arch conservative, white supremacist, and segregationist who used his 1915 film Birth Of A Nation (original title; The Clansman) to glorify the Ku Klux Klan and demean Blacks (BTW, The Birth Of A Nation also gave the KKK their current look; the KKK was a rather motley crew snd Griffith wanted a more 'cinematic' look to the film's Klan characters, so his costume designer was ordered to come up with the now infamous costumes); the early decades of Hollywood are rife with conservative memes in regard to racial, and religious intolerance; it wasn't until after WW2 that the pendulum swung back to address the more overt and odious depictions...


Then there are the Cold War years when the Red Hunt was ongoing and many prominent Hollywood conservative celebrities formed this group:


Motion Picture Alliance for the Preservation of American Ideals --

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion...merican_Ideals


The main purpose of the MPAPAI was to present a unified conservative front with the goal of outing alleged Communists to the McCarthy Era HUAC witch hunts...


The claims by Hollywood conservatives and their non-Hollywood backers of undue suppression rings hollow when you read the listings of the individuals involved in conservative cause in Hollywood don't seem to be suffering much at all, if at all; those who have not fared so well, if you dig a bit deeper are known in the industry for other things that make them unhirable or of dubious character...


Bottom line: In Hollywood Red and Blue lose out big time to Green...





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[Jimbuna]

I'll try to carry on being the same person I've been for 60+ years thanks.

[vienna]

The ultimate in conservatism...





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[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ which is of course idiotic. In lower saxony, you have to write your degree dissertation gender-correct, otherwise it will not be accepted or marked as unsatisfactory/fail. If you read this you are almost unable to understand the text between those absurd word creations.. maybe call all people "it", or "es" in german

Imho they try to make up for centuries of suppression and wrongdoing, but this way is idiotic. Changing the language and words certainly changes the thinking..

It is like tearing down all monuments to make the past look better - placing some monuments in museums with a proper explanation would maybe be a solution. Or apply some enlightening texts on those statues. Removing this entirely has nothing to do with coming to terms with some ugly past.

Truth be told Gervais also says that “If you’re mildly left-wing on Twitter you’re suddenly Trotsky."

As usual the truth or best way is to remain calm and do not let you being intrumenalized by certain media who try to help their side by dividing the people

The structure and temrinology of langauge defines the limits and ways if the way we think. Thats why a perosn form one culture may find another person from a very different culture so un comprhensible or stnrage, if he has no own knodlge of th eotherÄS language. Very good exmaple is that difference between Western languages, and Chinese.

Orwell'S 1984 includes this simple truth about the relation between langauge and thinking, too. Its the reason why language gets systematically reduced and annihlated in the novel.

The link is even in the neural hard-wiring. Well - of course it is. It must be.

Similiar links are between thinking, and handwriting. Or thinking and tactile feedback in general, for that matter. Pupils not learning to handwrite at schools - as some "pedagogues" propose - but just typing on digital keyboards, causes havoc.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by vienna

The whole conservative "Hollywood hates us, boo hoo...

Did I miss something? I read the article and saw no such claim by Gervais. Quite the opposite.

“If you’re mildly left-wing on Twitter you’re suddenly Trotsky. If you’re mildly conservative you’re Hitler and if you’re centrist and you look at both arguments, you’re a coward and they both hate you.”

"Just because you're offended doesn’t mean you’re right.”

“Offense is good because it makes you think and it makes you come up with an argument. And what’s happened recently is that ‘I’m offended’ has replaced an argument.”

And that is exactly right. When someone lacks a good argument the name calling, accusations and shaming begins. Watch for it.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by u crank

Did I miss something? I read the article and saw no such claim by Gervais. Quite the opposite.
...

Nope, you missed nothing but you made the wrong inference; I wasn't, and didn't, reference either Gervais or the article at all and was only referring to the sort of 'alligator tears' (and I'm not referencing any particular alligators... ) statements made by the conservative clique about how they are supposedly closed out of and abused by the Hollywood scene; just look at the list of persons in the Wiki articles and add in some well known conservative members of the industry who aren't in those lists and you will see some of the most powerful and influential individuals in Hollywood; collectively they hold just about as much clout as the much vilified liberals they say are suppressing them, in some cases, even more clout than the liberals; like I said the only color that matters is the bottom line Green and those conservatives are not only the generators of that Green, they are also, quite often, the beneficiaries of projects created and produced by some of those same liberals they criticize...

Maybe, if things are so very bad for them, they should consider polling their resources and set up their own alternative to the traditional Hollywood status quo...





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[em2nought]

Originally Posted by vienna

The conservative presence in Hollywood goes way back to the very beginnings of the industry; director D. W. Griffith was an arch conservative, white supremacist, and segregationist who used his 1915 film Birth Of A Nation (original title; The Clansman) to glorify the Ku Klux Klan and demean Blacks (BTW, The Birth Of A Nation also gave the KKK their current look; the KKK was a rather motley crew snd Griffith wanted a more 'cinematic' look to the film's Klan characters, so his costume designer was ordered to come up with the now infamous costumes); the early decades of Hollywood are rife with conservative memes in regard to racial, and religious intolerance; it wasn't until after WW2 that the pendulum swung back to address the more overt and odious depictions...

Sounds like a democrat to me.

[Catfish]

I found it rather funny from the beginning that Trump, while only listening to populist and rather primitive right wing outlets, accused other media of "fake news".
We have learned what Trump's "fake news" and "alternative facts" really are: Lies to discredit what is still there of halfways neutral journalism.

Instead just of all the right media chime in with Trump and shed their crocodile tears of how unfair the rest of the media treats them. The loony whining right-wing snowflakes really are at it

[vienna]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Sounds like a democrat to me.

Who, D.W. Griffith? Wow, just how Far-Right are you to say he sounds like a DEM...?...





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[u crank]

Originally Posted by vienna

Nope, you missed nothing but you made the wrong inference;

Oh well sorry about that. And thanks for the history lesson about the evil conservatives of Hollywood dating back to the stone age.

Still curious about your take on what Mr. Gervais said.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Lies to discredit what is still there of halfways neutral journalism.

And who would that be CNN? MSNBC? New York Times? Washington Post? Say it isn't so.

The loony whining right-wing snowflakes really are at it

Ricky Gervais?

[vienna]

Originally Posted by u crank

Oh well sorry about that. And thanks for the history lesson about the evil conservatives of Hollywood dating back to the stone age.

Still curious about your take on what Mr. Gervais said.

Also never said the conservatives were evil simple, or evil as, or more evil than the Hollywood liberals. Funny thing is, once someone, no matter what political or philosophical stripe, achieves a modicum of fame and/or wealth and/or influence, they all seem to devolve into the same sorts of behaviors; take noted conservative Alice Cooper (look him up; you might well be surprised at just how really conservative he is), someone who used to play golf regularly with Bob Hope and has been golfing with Trump; I recall seeing him around the Sunset Strip at places like the Rainbow Bar & Grill; I used to be welcomed into the upper lounge where Cooper held forth with a crew other rock stars informally known as The Hollywood Vampires"; Cooper was just as much of a '"sex and drugs and rock 'n roll" animal as the must libertine liberals on the scene; I've seen more than a few of some of the better known conservative celebrities debauched with the best of them over the decades I've lived in Hollywood; its all about the bucks, not the politics...

Conservative celebrities in Hollywood might grumble about 'Hollywood liberals', but they'll still take that liberal generated money and perform in liberal created films or other projects; if they really are that bent about it all, they should pool their substantial resources and make their own projects and start their own creative networks; the really sad truth is conservative leaning entertainment, other than cable news, historically doesn't sell all that well and tends to skew towards an older demographic that is not highly sought after by advertisers; Fox News on cable, for example, has an audience core whose average age is at about 60 years old, not at all attractive to advertisers, and the same holds true for the film industry as evidenced by the youthful skew of major motion picture projects, and the recording industry also caters to the younger, freer set because that's where all the Green is; The Hollywood conservatives are doing remarkably well and their grumblings are either political posturings or they really are big snowflakes...

Citing someone like Griffith as a bigot and prototype for Far-Right memes and its not just a rear-view mirror assessment; he was called a bigot by his contemporaries in Hollywood, both conservative and liberals; funny thing is, they all seemed to overlook it when he was still making money and stars...


As far as Gervais, he is who he is and I realize he is as prone to say something just to shock or outrage s he is to make a sincere statement; in the end, why would conservatives or liberals really care about what he says unless they seek to bolster their arguments by using the utterances of someone who is a shock comic and who's basic goal is either to shock or get a laugh? If someone wants to take his shtick all that seriously, well that's a different matter...






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