Newbie about to decide?

ebdons · 08-07-19, 04:21 AM

Hi, not been on here for a while, after playing with all the SH series and waiting to see if any more SH games are coming out, and now deciding on wolfpack or going back to SH 3,4,5 etc. this is steam only now no game disc will be made right? has this game a long term future as I see the reviews and some have given it mostly thumbs up but what is the development timescale? complete game by next year? or 5 years? Ton

Aktungbby · 08-07-19, 10:55 AM

ebdons!

FOLLOW Onkel Neal's threads on Wolfpack; https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2615058&postcount=1 I'm waiting on the "lone wolf version" myself since my miniscule social skillset doesn't permit me to to recruit a competent crew of four toadying sycophants totally obedient to their kaleun's will at 2AM!!...

raymond6751 · 08-07-19, 11:50 AM

I think you should wait for the single player version too. I did not and spent a lot of frustrating time trying to do it all myself. I also had frustration with the team version, either with people who did not play as a team, or trying to find a time slot that fit my life.

The game is not as good as any of the Silent Hunter series for game play.

It is a step forward towards a great concept that will eventually score big.

Have a look at U-Boat game before deciding. It too is a work in progress, but is more interesting than Wolfpack right now.

ebdons · 08-07-19, 12:35 PM

Hi thanks for the replies, looked U-Boat game 1st and not convinced this is what I want, think wolfpack is the one for me, so maybe will wait and see some more feedback, as I think wolfpack is nearer to the SH series? It's a limited appeal game tho, and think I will re-load SH and mods to give me my sub fix? Tony

gurudennis · 08-09-19, 01:32 AM

Wolfpack has a lot of depth to it, perhaps surprisingly for an Early Access title. You'll find that it's not as content-heavy as the SH series, but is otherwise very true to the genre.

Contrary to the opinions expressed here, it's entirely possible to play solo. After the initial break-in period of learning the controls, the TDC, and practicing your attacks, you should be able to run alone without any issues. This is provided you put in the time to "git gud" as it were.

Then there's an extra layer of complexity coordinating attacks with up to 3 other subs. If done well, and with good companions, this can be a very satisfying experience.

I hope this helps you decide in favor of Wolfpack, but I may be biased :P

PeterS · 08-09-19, 01:52 AM

My two cents: Wolfpack is currently the most in-depth simulation, which I personally love. Compared to Silent Hunter 5 (+ Wolves of Steel), the simulation aspect is much improved, hard to go back to SH5 once you get familar with the mechanism in Wolfpack. On the other hand, I still jump back and forth between Wolfpack and SH5 for my subsim needs because SH5 offers the best all-around package with a campaign, more interesting and surprising random encounters and a still solid simulation (only talking about modded SH5 here).

U-Boat sounds interesting, but after playing it for a while I lost interest quickly. The simulation is poor, repeating almost identical encounters get boring and the game is overall still in a rough state. On the positive side, it offers some new fresh approach to the genre and is regulary updated by its developers. I think it might have a promising future, but right now I don't see it as a replacement for SH5. I don't really want to badmouth U-Boat here, I have a lot of respect for the small development team, but just offering my personal opinion on it, whatever that's worth.

In short, if you are interested in a simulation, Wolfpack is for you but U-Boat is probably not. I spent more money on worse games which I played for less time.
Solo is very possible, though can get a bit stressful occasionally. I personally never played it in multiplayer yet. My only complaint on Wolfpack Solo is the lack of a pause function and that you need to invest a few hours into one non-stop gaming session, no save & reload. Had to abort a few good runs because of interruptions. I am aware this is not the scope of the game.

Reading through all the historical information offered by the gents on this forum like Mr. Stoßtrupp brings playing Wolfpack to a new level and really improved my insight and interest in the whole U-Boot topic.

ebdons · 08-09-19, 05:37 AM

Ok many thanks for the updated opinions, you say there is no pause button, but can you speed up the travelling time? yes I know this MP and that would effect gameplay etc, but we would be unlikely to complete a mission within a few hours. without going into the whole game, are the devs trying to make a better version of SH? but have as much detail in the game like loadout and upgrading subs etc? tony

PeterS · 08-09-19, 06:25 AM

No time compression. Time is fixed 1x. Understandable for multiplayer.

Unlike other subsim games, where you need to travel large distances and don't want to do that in real time, time compression is not really needed in Wolfpack. Each mission spawns you close to a random convoy, then you play that mission for 2-3 hours and are done. So you don't have to pass a lot of time travelling. Occasionally, with a bad spawn, you may find yourself behind a fast moving convoy, then the overtaking may take a bit longer, especially in good sight (need larger distance). So mission time may vary.

I don't think the goal is to create a Silent Hunter 5 successor, but to offer a hardcore simulator which throws you into the action while skipping the largly uninteresting "Gammelfahrt" (boring travel) part. I like both games and their philosophy, they complement each other nicely.
Anyways, I'm not the Wolfpack expert and don't know the roadmap, but got above impression from previous comments on this forum. Might be totally wrong.

U-Boat seems to aim for a full-fledged SH5 successor with some "Sims Atlantic" gameplay mixed in, but it's not yet there.

ebdons · 08-09-19, 07:34 AM

Hi, thanks for the info, think I better pull the trigger on this game then. bit pricey for EA but look at Star Citizen and it's costs. Ton

ebdons · 08-09-19, 09:29 AM

Just downloaded from steam, had some wallet credits to spend so ok with that. see you all in game soon. ton

ebdons · 08-09-19, 12:25 PM

Hi just played my first mission, solo for now and not bad at all? needs fine tuning and surprised it has smooth graphics, feels like SH so that's good, need a german voice pack and other mods, but pleased to be part of it now. can't wait for the updates. Ton

Corto · 08-17-19, 05:12 AM

A Newbie Question: Can i play Wolfpack solo? Campaigns etc.?

Thank you in advance!

ceh · 08-17-19, 06:16 AM

There isn't a campaign at the moment.

You can play solo, you need to run from station to station to do everything yourself. Not impossible, but needs a bit of practice.

Corto · 08-17-19, 07:20 AM

is there a campaign coming in the future?

Onkel Neal · 08-17-19, 07:46 AM

Yes: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...d.php?t=227031

08-07-19, 04:21 AM	#1
ebdons Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 8 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Newbie about to decide? Hi, not been on here for a while, after playing with all the SH series and waiting to see if any more SH games are coming out, and now deciding on wolfpack or going back to SH 3,4,5 etc. this is steam only now no game disc will be made right? has this game a long term future as I see the reviews and some have given it mostly thumbs up but what is the development timescale? complete game by next year? or 5 years? Ton

08-07-19, 10:55 AM	#2
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 29,979 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Welcome aboard! ebdons! FOLLOW Onkel Neal's threads on Wolfpack; https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2615058&postcount=1 I'm waiting on the "lone wolf version" myself since my miniscule social skillset doesn't permit me to to recruit a competent crew of four *toadying sycophants* totally obedient to their kaleun's will at 2AM!!... __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!! Last edited by Aktungbby; 08-07-19 at 11:38 AM.

08-07-19, 11:50 AM	#3
raymond6751 Admirable Mike Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,338 Downloads: 421 Uploads: 0	Observe through periscope before firing. I think you should wait for the single player version too. I did not and spent a lot of frustrating time trying to do it all myself. I also had frustration with the team version, either with people who did not play as a team, or trying to find a time slot that fit my life. The game is not as good as any of the Silent Hunter series for game play. It is a step forward towards a great concept that will eventually score big. Have a look at U-Boat game before deciding. It too is a work in progress, but is more interesting than Wolfpack right now. __________________ Game Designer: Close The Atlantic - World War Three https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/...orld-war-three

08-17-19, 05:12 AM	#12
Corto Swabbie Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 9 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	A Newbie Question: Can i play Wolfpack solo? Campaigns etc.? Thank you in advance! __________________

08-17-19, 07:20 AM	#14
Corto Swabbie Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 9 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	is there a campaign coming in the future? __________________

08-07-19, 12:35 PM	#4
ebdons Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 8 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Hi thanks for the replies, looked U-Boat game 1st and not convinced this is what I want, think wolfpack is the one for me, so maybe will wait and see some more feedback, as I think wolfpack is nearer to the SH series? It's a limited appeal game tho, and think I will re-load SH and mods to give me my sub fix? Tony

08-09-19, 01:32 AM	#5
gurudennis Mate Join Date: Mar 2019 Posts: 55 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Wolfpack has a lot of depth to it, perhaps surprisingly for an Early Access title. You'll find that it's not as content-heavy as the SH series, but is otherwise very true to the genre. Contrary to the opinions expressed here, it's entirely possible to play solo. After the initial break-in period of learning the controls, the TDC, and practicing your attacks, you should be able to run alone without any issues. This is provided you put in the time to "git gud" as it were. Then there's an extra layer of complexity coordinating attacks with up to 3 other subs. If done well, and with good companions, this can be a very satisfying experience. I hope this helps you decide in favor of Wolfpack, but I may be biased :P

08-09-19, 01:52 AM	#6
PeterS Swabbie Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 14 Downloads: 83 Uploads: 0	My two cents: Wolfpack is currently the most in-depth simulation, which I personally love. Compared to Silent Hunter 5 (+ Wolves of Steel), the simulation aspect is much improved, hard to go back to SH5 once you get familar with the mechanism in Wolfpack. On the other hand, I still jump back and forth between Wolfpack and SH5 for my subsim needs because SH5 offers the best all-around package with a campaign, more interesting and surprising random encounters and a still solid simulation (only talking about modded SH5 here). U-Boat sounds interesting, but after playing it for a while I lost interest quickly. The simulation is poor, repeating almost identical encounters get boring and the game is overall still in a rough state. On the positive side, it offers some new fresh approach to the genre and is regulary updated by its developers. I think it might have a promising future, but right now I don't see it as a replacement for SH5. I don't really want to badmouth U-Boat here, I have a lot of respect for the small development team, but just offering my personal opinion on it, whatever that's worth. In short, if you are interested in a simulation, Wolfpack is for you but U-Boat is probably not. I spent more money on worse games which I played for less time. Solo is very possible, though can get a bit stressful occasionally. I personally never played it in multiplayer yet. My only complaint on Wolfpack Solo is the lack of a pause function and that you need to invest a few hours into one non-stop gaming session, no save & reload. Had to abort a few good runs because of interruptions. I am aware this is not the scope of the game. Reading through all the historical information offered by the gents on this forum like Mr. Stoßtrupp brings playing Wolfpack to a new level and really improved my insight and interest in the whole U-Boot topic.

08-09-19, 05:37 AM	#7
ebdons Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 8 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Ok many thanks for the updated opinions, you say there is no pause button, but can you speed up the travelling time? yes I know this MP and that would effect gameplay etc, but we would be unlikely to complete a mission within a few hours. without going into the whole game, are the devs trying to make a better version of SH? but have as much detail in the game like loadout and upgrading subs etc? tony

08-09-19, 06:25 AM	#8
PeterS Swabbie Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 14 Downloads: 83 Uploads: 0	No time compression. Time is fixed 1x. Understandable for multiplayer. Unlike other subsim games, where you need to travel large distances and don't want to do that in real time, time compression is not really needed in Wolfpack. Each mission spawns you close to a random convoy, then you play that mission for 2-3 hours and are done. So you don't have to pass a lot of time travelling. Occasionally, with a bad spawn, you may find yourself behind a fast moving convoy, then the overtaking may take a bit longer, especially in good sight (need larger distance). So mission time may vary. I don't think the goal is to create a Silent Hunter 5 successor, but to offer a hardcore simulator which throws you into the action while skipping the largly uninteresting "Gammelfahrt" (boring travel) part. I like both games and their philosophy, they complement each other nicely. Anyways, I'm not the Wolfpack expert and don't know the roadmap, but got above impression from previous comments on this forum. Might be totally wrong. U-Boat seems to aim for a full-fledged SH5 successor with some "Sims Atlantic" gameplay mixed in, but it's not yet there.

08-09-19, 07:34 AM	#9
ebdons Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 8 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Hi, thanks for the info, think I better pull the trigger on this game then. bit pricey for EA but look at Star Citizen and it's costs. Ton

08-09-19, 09:29 AM	#10
ebdons Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 8 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Just downloaded from steam, had some wallet credits to spend so ok with that. see you all in game soon. ton

08-09-19, 12:25 PM	#11
ebdons Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 8 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Hi just played my first mission, solo for now and not bad at all? needs fine tuning and surprised it has smooth graphics, feels like SH so that's good, need a german voice pack and other mods, but pleased to be part of it now. can't wait for the updates. Ton

08-17-19, 06:16 AM	#13
ceh Sailor man Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: GMT+1 Posts: 43 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	There isn't a campaign at the moment. You can play solo, you need to run from station to station to do everything yourself. Not impossible, but needs a bit of practice.

08-17-19, 07:46 AM	#15
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,383 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Yes: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...d.php?t=227031 __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web