Disgraceful verdict' in pier shooting

Gerald · 12-01-17, 08:22 AM

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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The Latest on the trial of a Mexican man in a killing on a San Francisco pier (all times local):
7:45 p.m.
President Donald Trump says there was a "disgraceful verdict" after a Mexican man was found not guilty of murder in a high-profile killing that touched off a fierce immigration debate.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/...r-12396675.php

Note: Updated 12:28 am, Friday, December 1, 2017

propbeanie · 12-01-17, 09:10 AM

So, they didn't "have the goods" on the dude? or was it the jury was tainted by local press? or was it a stretch to believe the prosecution's story?... From what I had read pre-trial, the guy appeared to be guilty as guilty can be... ??

Buddahaid · 12-01-17, 10:44 AM

Not much to go on in the story but evidently the prosecution failed to make their case. What might be really described as disgraceful would be convicting a person without due process Mr. Trump.

Aktungbby · 12-01-17, 11:10 AM

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Police also wrapped his hands in paper bags to preserve any gunfire residue. But Garcia Zarate's attorney Matt Gonzalez revealed today that police found a very small amount on his hands.

"If the gun was wrapped in something, that would explain why there was very little gunshot residue if any that ended up in the defendant's hands," Gonzalez told reporters covering the trial. Garcia Zarate had said he found the stolen gun under a swivel chair on the pier, wrapped in a piece of cloth. When he examined it, the gun accidentally fired. The bullet ricocheted, hitting Steinle who was about 90 feet away from the suspect.

Sorry but at (an excessive) ninety feet, a ricochet, and the 'startled look' attested to by an arresting officer simply doesn't add up to first degree (criminal intent required) murder. In a capital case, the state must meet its burden of proof and failed to do so. The verdict was not unexpected. The officer who allowed his weapon to be stolen and his agency should be heavily penalized but that is a civil matter.

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The Bureau of Land Management said the service weapon was stolen from the officer's vehicle on June 27.

President Trump, then a contender for office, using the case as political hay for his immigration policy-San Francisco is a 'sanctuary city'- did not make matters easier.

aanker · 12-01-17, 11:37 AM

I was disappointed but not surprised.

Trial of an 'illegal' immigrant arrested and deported several times (info was not brought up in the trial but it is 'common knowledge'). The trial was held in a sanctuary city in what is now a sanctuary state. He still could face up to 45 years according to reports I have heard.

Buddahaid · 12-01-17, 11:49 AM

So an "illegal" is not deserving of a fair trial?

Gargamel · 12-01-17, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

So an "illegal" is not deserving of a fair trial?

Of course not!

C'mon, where have you been the last couple years?

We all know that people not like us are not deserving of equal treatment? That they are scum and villany? Any excuse to demonize them will made in order to brainwash the ignorant!

Xenophobia Rules!

All hail Overlord Rathead!

aanker · 12-01-17, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

So an "illegal" is not deserving of a fair trial?

Who said that? Didn't he get a fair trial? He was found not guilty of murdering her.

The fact that he was in CA illegally and had been deported several times had nothing to do with the outcome of the trial.

Onkel Neal · 12-01-17, 01:42 PM

It had a lot to do with the killing, though.

Mr Quatro · 12-01-17, 01:47 PM

President Trump is starting to show a pattern of being wrong on just about everything he tackles from NK to the border wall to health care to immigration to the NFL ... i hate to explain him, but I can see his frustration with this verdict supporting sanctuary cities. It's San Francisco that should be on trial ... that poor man was allowed to enter the country and reside in a safe city for illegals. He just happen to be shooting at seals with a stolen police gun and accidentally shot an innocent person. The jury acquitted him of murder which is the right decision, but the presidents frustration of sanctuary cities will linger on.

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In the United States and Canada, a sanctuary city is a city that limits its cooperation with the national government effort to enforce immigration.

Here's a link to a map of sanctuary cities

https://cis.org/Map-Sanctuary-Cities...ies-and-States

Sanctuary Cities List
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Platapus · 12-01-17, 04:08 PM

Since I was not on the jury and did not have access to the evidence, I can't opine on the decision of the Jury.

With the illegal entry and the firearm possession charge, he will be spending some time in the poky and then will be deported.

The real problem is how to keep this guy from once again entering the US.

August · 12-01-17, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

The real problem is how to keep this guy from once again entering the US.

What like a border wall?

Short of that we're never going to keep people like this guy out as long as he's being offered safe haven. The people that create these sanctuary city policies are the real murderers here.

Buddahaid · 12-01-17, 07:37 PM

No, the people that let their firearms get stolen are at higher responsibility.

aanker · 12-01-17, 08:30 PM

Yes, a border wall and crack down on the illegal sanctuary cities, county's & states.

Anyway, the DOJ filed charges in 2015 and has just announced that he will be picked up and face those Federal charges in a Texas court.... hopefully not in a TX sanctuary city... err county (just checked the list above).

August · 12-01-17, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

No, the people that let their firearms get stolen are at higher responsibility.

When they're a professional and supposed to be trained to know better you betcha.

12-01-17, 09:10 AM	#2
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,098 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	So, they didn't "have the goods" on the dude? or was it the jury was tainted by local press? or was it a stretch to believe the prosecution's story?... From what I had read pre-trial, the guy appeared to be guilty as guilty can be... ?? __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

12-01-17, 10:44 AM	#3
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Not much to go on in the story but evidently the prosecution failed to make their case. What might be really described as disgraceful would be convicting a person without due process Mr. Trump. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

12-01-17, 11:49 AM	#6
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	So an "illegal" is not deserving of a fair trial? __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

12-01-17, 01:42 PM	#9
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,383 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	It had a lot to do with the killing, though. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

12-01-17, 04:08 PM	#11
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,362 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Since I was not on the jury and did not have access to the evidence, I can't opine on the decision of the Jury. With the illegal entry and the firearm possession charge, he will be spending some time in the poky and then will be deported. The real problem is how to keep this guy from once again entering the US. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

12-01-17, 11:37 AM	#5
aanker Pacific Thunder Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yellow Sea Posts: 1,896 Downloads: 236 Uploads: 14	I was disappointed but not surprised. Trial of an 'illegal' immigrant arrested and deported several times (info was not brought up in the trial but it is 'common knowledge'). The trial was held in a sanctuary city in what is now a sanctuary state. He still could face up to 45 years according to reports I have heard.

12-01-17, 07:37 PM	#13
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	No, the people that let their firearms get stolen are at higher responsibility. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

12-01-17, 08:30 PM	#14
aanker Pacific Thunder Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yellow Sea Posts: 1,896 Downloads: 236 Uploads: 14	Yes, a border wall and crack down on the illegal sanctuary cities, county's & states. Anyway, the DOJ filed charges in 2015 and has just announced that he will be picked up and face those Federal charges in a Texas court.... hopefully not in a TX sanctuary city... err county (just checked the list above).